Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable --- ZFC Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 21:23:27 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <20b1dea98eda49e74e822c96b37565bb3eb36013@i2pn2.org> <7f2a1f77084810d4cee18ac3b44251601380b93a@i2pn2.org> <662de0ccc3dc5a5f0be0918d340aa3314d51a348@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2024 01:23:27 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3524973"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3293 Lines: 39 On 8/22/24 9:12 AM, olcott wrote: > On 8/22/2024 4:55 AM, Wasell wrote: >> On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 07:37:50 -0500, in article >> , >> olcott wrote: >>> On 8/21/2024 3:54 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2024-08-20 13:59:42 +0000, olcott said: >>>> >>>>> On 8/20/2024 5:21 AM, Mikko wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>>>>> Set theories with an unversal set need to restrict >>>>>> the construction operations more than what is usually considered >>>>>> reasonable. >>>>> >>>>> I don't see how. The set of all sets that do not contain >>>>> themselves simply becomes the set of all sets. >>>> >>>> The set of all sets that do not contain themselves is the Russell set >>>> that revealied the inconsistency of the naive set theory. The main >>>> improvment in ZF was the non-existence of this set. >>> >>> So basically you agreed with me on everything. >> >> Oh, you blithering imbecile! The universal set V is, by definition, >> an element of itself. > > Not in ZFC where no set con be a member of itself, > your insult is reflected back upon yourself. > So, you don't understand the comment. ZFC doesn't allow for a Universal Set, but some other set theories do. You can't apply ZFC to a discussion based on another Set Theory. Just like you can't use your "Correct Reasoning" on a problem not based on your not-yet-defined system.