Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: BCFD 36 Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: OT Politics Re: Three Body Problem Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 12:37:21 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 72 Message-ID: References: <96f3bb30-2134-0d32-a3ec-48f29580be82@example.net> <0e09c941-57a4-36e4-e04e-cf34eb1811b5@example.net> <0p74cj9ci0fi7gdq0n6ff0focttrmpg50b@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 21:37:21 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ec6e177f612397c9ce9fc486259794e2"; logging-data="1566972"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+9y0alHhLqnitDGykgTM4O" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:z9gwT78aDeu7vqIqbsWEazPCA18= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4302 On 8/23/24 08:58, Paul S Person wrote: > On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 01:08:02 -0700, BCFD 36 wrote: > >> On 8/22/24 23:48, Mad Hamish wrote: >> >> [stuff deleted] >> >>>> He won the Electoral College and Hillary Clinton won the >>>> popular vote. >>>> >>> Who landed on the moon first in your timeline? >>> Because in this one he won the 2016 election against Hilary Clinton >>> but lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden. >> >> The first statement was completely true. In 2016 Hillary won the popular >> vote, but scum bucket won the Electoral College. In 2020 Biden won the >> popular vote by an even larger margin than Hillary and the Electoral >> College. > > Hiller "won" the popular vote only by a plurality. To actually /win/ a > race based on the popular vote she would have had to get a majority. I don't believe this is true in most cases. For example, take a race for Governor of just about any state. Democrat candidate get 48%. Republican candidate gets 47%. Greens get 3%. The remaining 2% gets split among many fringe parties. The Democrat candidate will now be the Governor and there won't be a run off. This was true in Kansas, Nevada, and Oregon in the 2022 elections. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_gubernatorial_elections for the actual info. However, in the Primary elections, many parties require that a candidate get a majority before being declared as the party's candidate. > > IOW, if it were the popular vote that counted, 2016 would have seen a > runoff election [1] exactly two choices: Hillary and Trump. The > expectation being that one or the other would get more that 50% of the > votes. Only if that is how the election laws were written. I think it would be wildly impractical to hold multiple national elections. > > [1] If you are wondering "when", since Jan 6 is pending, the answer I > would suggest is: everything would move back two months. The election > would be in September. The runoff, if needed, would be in November. > The Party Convention and Primary dates would have to be adjusted as > well. > >> At this point, the Electoral College is the only vote that counts in the >> race for President/Vice President. > > That's been true since the beginning of the United States of America > (as opposed, IIRC, to the earlier confederation). > >> And Jules Verne landed on the moon first. Everyone knows that. > > Well, Beford & Cavor did, anyway. > >> [more stuff deleted for brevity] -- ---------------- Dave Scruggs Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly Retired) Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired) Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What was I thinking?)