Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: V5 --- Professor Sipser Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 13:21:24 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <431deaa157cdae1cae73a1b24268a61cf8ec2c1c@i2pn2.org> <7a1c569a699e79bfa146affbbae3eac7b91cd263@i2pn2.org> <729cc551062c13875686d266a5453a488058e81c@i2pn2.org> <148bf4dd91f32379a6d81a621fb7ec3fc1e00db0@i2pn2.org> <5591ff08ed8f7b4bdf33813681e156b775efe0ec@i2pn2.org> <26fadbf7b8cb5f93dbe18bffeff6e959251f9892@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 13:21:24 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3438386"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3712 Lines: 36 Am Thu, 22 Aug 2024 07:59:59 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 8/22/2024 3:16 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >> Op 22.aug.2024 om 06:22 schreef olcott: > > > If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until > H correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop > running unless aborted then > H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D > specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. > > > We swap the word "determines" for "predicts" > When we swap thew word "halt decider" for "termination analyzer" the > above is translated from computer science into software engineering. > The second half proves that this is the H that aborts that is making the > prediction of the behavior of D when emulated by a hypothetical version > of itself then never aborts. >>> THIS EXACTLY MATCHES THE SIPSER APPROVED CRITERIA The finite HHH(DDD) >>> emulates itself emulating DDD exactly once and this is sufficient for >>> this HHH to predict what a different HHH(DDD) do that never aborted >>> its emulation of its input. >> But that different hypothetical HHH is a non-input. > HHH is supposed to predict what the behavior of DDD would be if it did > not abort its emulation of DDD that is what the words that Professor > agreed to mean. If IT didn’t abort DDD calling its aborting self. >> Do you still not understand that HHH should predict the behaviour of >> its input? Why does the HHH have an input, if it is correct to predict >> the behaviour of a non-input? >> Are you still cheating with the Root variable to change the input in a >> non-input? -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.