Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 22:14:13 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <76bc8c3f57d40bfee48345b197866d5332530327@i2pn2.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2024 02:14:13 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3166591"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3318 Lines: 38 On 8/19/24 8:48 AM, olcott wrote: > On 8/19/2024 3:07 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-08-18 12:18:02 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> On 8/15/2024 4:01 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2024-08-13 12:43:16 +0000, olcott said: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> In epistemology (theory of knowledge), a self-evident proposition >>>>> is a proposition that is known to be true by understanding its meaning >>>>> without proof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-evidence >>>> >>>> Self-evident propositions are uninteresting. >>>> >>> >>> It turns out that self-evident the notion of {analytic truth} >>> and all of math and logic only deals in {analytic truth}. >> >> A large part of what math and logic deals in is not self-evident. >> For examle, most people would not regard it self-evident that in >> classical geometry it is impossible to construct a square that >> has the same area as a given circle. >> > > By self-evident I do not mean that people can understand it. > I only mean that it is semantically entailed by a set of axioms. > A better term than self-evident is semantic tautology. > That is not a "tautology". I guess you just don't know what that word means. Semantically entail by a set of axioms is just the normal definition of an analytic truth, a statement that flows from the applicatiom of a (possibly infinite) set of valid logical operation to the axioms of the system. Maybe you don't understand what "semanitally" means in formal systems.