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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: ...!news.mixmin.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: vallor Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Linux at scale Date: 4 Aug 2024 17:54:40 GMT Lines: 125 Message-ID: References: <87h6cl74ix.fsf@tilde.institute> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net MINwA/fOCIhwWX+eboBGhw4Z8XtI9UfZw/28r26tIb57djclU0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:+7Kw4WarKjxJa/2Eo5wYaGgVC8U= sha256:KX+sXJw61d1hCz8Pa7AsnmA6ZKV37+50rSeZEZimU6k= X-Face: +McU)#<-H?9lTb(Th!zR`EpVrp<0)1p5CmPu.kOscy8LRp_\u`:tW;dxPo./(fCl CaKku`)]}.V/"6rISCIDP` User-Agent: Pan/0.159 (Vovchansk; 26ff567; Linux-6.11.0-rc1) Bytes: 6936 On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 08:42:50 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote in : > On 8/4/24 05:35, vallor wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 22:58:28 -0700, Bobbie Sellers >> wrote in >> : >> >>> On 7/30/24 22:30, candycanearter07 wrote: >>>> John McCue wrote at 13:49 this Saturday >>>> (GMT): >>>>> followups trimmed to comp.os.linux.misc >>>>> >>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc yeti wrote: >>>>>> "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ah ... wunnerful Winders :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It should be banned as a socioeconomic WMD ... >>>>>> >>>>>> Imagine systemd swallowing package management, doing automagic >>>>>> security updates and such a "MSLinux" monoculture. >>>>> >>>>> I can see this happening, I think they just swallowed sudo. >>>> >>>> You mean polkit? >>> >>> No he means "sudo" is going to be replaced with "run0." >>> >>> Not right away but sooner or later unless it causes even >>> more problems. "Sudo" is a bad implementation which replaced "su". >>> which invoked superuser privileges. You had to use your root account >>> password but Ubuntu decided that was dangerous so to invoke the same >>> privileges you can use your user accont passwork. >>> Canonical thought apparently that it was asking too >>> much of their projected userbase to remember User account password and >>> root password. >> >> Actually, sudo(8) isn't a bad implementation of su(8), it's just >> "different". >> >> You can set sudo to use the root password, which is what I do for my >> personal systems. Requiring the user password is default, and works >> better for systems with shared administration where you have to control >> what the person runs. >> >> For cases where you have multiple (remote) administrators that need >> "root" access, that's better handled with ssh keys and clever key >> management on the target host. Another way to handle it is separate >> usernames (e.g. "suvallor") that have their own home directory, but >> uid/gid 0. >> >> Quite a few of our systems are multi-user. Even used to have a >> customer shell server until demand for that dried up. Right now, one >> system is used by employees who need to run tools that interface with >> our back end systems. Login credentials are handled with Active >> Directory, the domain of which is joined with sssd(8). >> >>> The system on my computer uses SysV.init and "su". >>> >>> bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.07- Linux 6.6.42- 5.27.11 >> >> Nice! I've said for a few years now that Linux _is_ ready for most >> home users, as well as enterprise desktops. >> >> For example, we use MS Teams at work -- I'm not happy about it, but I >> can use it from Linux through the web site. Same goes for MS Office. >> >> The problem is you can't take your Linux laptop to (say) Best Buy and >> expect them to help with a problem. The legendary "year of the Linux >> desktop" won't happen until there's some kind of _local_ support >> network in place. And a lot of folks will get help with their Windows >> systems from a relative, who is more likely to have Windows experience >> than Linux chops. >> > Well that Local Support group is available all over > the place. It is called the Internet and Linux Users Groups. I used to > be the placeholder whe went into a local cafe and held down space for > the other users attending. Nearly all Metropolitan areas have local > Computer Users Groups and I living in San Francisco am a member more or > less of SF-LUG ,but I write a Linux News Column for the Champaign- > Urbana Users Group, CUCUG. Aslo in online support we have a very good > PCLinuxOS Users Forum where we users converge with coders and with > packagers for help and to help where we are competent with our problems > on our Laptops and other machines. One of the now-passed members even > had his own brand of desktop to sell to anyone who could not run for > whatever reason PCLinuxOS on the machines available to them. At SF-LUG > we had a capable hardware person before Covid-19 Restrictions went into > play. We have had one real life meeting since then just before the > Delta Wave. > Maybe SF-LUG will go back to in person meetings > at some point in the future but I started in my 60s and now I am 87 and > plagued with many long-term problems. So if it happens soon enough maybe > one more in person event for me before I abandon Usenet and PCLinuxOS > along with the rest of the joys of life. > > bliss-as old as sin. At least you're young at heart. :) When I think of the average computer user, I think of my folks. (Dad just turned 84.) I'd love to get them on Linux, but they have a good chunk of their personal organizing locked up in MS Access databases. (I guess I could try to get Access running in WINE or proton...and you know what? I should investigate that.) Regarding support: you're right about online help, and I could set up bookmarks for the requisite support forums on their system, as well as teach them some of the basics of administration. A lot can be done these days on Linux Mint, even without the command line. Just set up my wife's new Linux workstation, and I don't think I touched a command line getting her configured. (Wifi drivers were another matter, which I should post about separately.) Much different nowadays than way back when, trying to get the printer working, or setting up modelines for X. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc1 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G