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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable --- truth-bearer Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 09:45:32 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 84 Message-ID: References: <60c0214582c7f97e49ef6f8853bff95569774f97@i2pn2.org> <4d8c7b1c69915ebbe108d7f4e29cf6172eac7759@i2pn2.org> <43690773dba43c5d93d11635af0a26532e5be390@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 16:45:32 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0bcb2e8a964ef5ab37c2a5858ba7d4a2"; logging-data="573618"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18TIGmzILuzcWVFqCi8Bsrm" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:qASyjDca5yRvdsIpdXzCCfGjEL8= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 5278 On 8/30/2024 8:36 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-08-29 13:36:00 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 8/29/2024 3:12 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-08-28 12:14:47 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 8/28/2024 2:45 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-08-24 03:26:39 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/23/2024 3:34 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>> On 2024-08-22 13:23:39 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/22/2024 7:06 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2024-08-21 12:47:37 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Formal systems kind of sort of has some vague idea of what True >>>>>>>>>> means. Tarski "proved" that there is no True(L,x) that can be >>>>>>>>>> consistently defined. >>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ >>>>>>>>>> Tarski%27s_undefinability_theorem#General_form >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *The defined predicate True(L,x) fixed that* >>>>>>>>>> Unless expression x has a connection (through a sequence >>>>>>>>>> of true preserving operations) in system F to its semantic >>>>>>>>>> meanings expressed in language L of F then x is simply >>>>>>>>>> untrue in F. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Whenever there is no sequence of truth preserving from >>>>>>>>>> x or ~x to its meaning in L of F then x has no truth-maker >>>>>>>>>> in F and x not a truth-bearer in F. We never get to x is >>>>>>>>>> undecidable in F. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tarski proved that True is undefineable in certain formal systems. >>>>>>>>> Your definition is not expressible in F, at least not as a >>>>>>>>> definition. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Like ZFC redefined the foundation of all sets I redefine >>>>>>>> the foundation of all formal systems. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You cannot redefine the foundation of all formal systems. Every >>>>>>> formal >>>>>>> system has the foundation it has and that cannot be changed. Formal >>>>>>> systems are eternal and immutable. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Then According to your reasoning ZFC is wrong because >>>>>> it is not allowed to redefine the foundation of set >>>>>> theory. >>>>> >>>>> It did not redefine anything. It is just another theory. It is called >>>>> a set theory because its terms have many similarities to Cnator's >>>>> sets. >>>> >>>> It the correct set theory. Naive set theory >>>> is tossed out on its ass for being WRONG. >>> >>> There is no basis to say that ZF is more or less correct than ZFC. >> >> A set containing itself has always been incoherent in its >> isomorphism to the concrete instance of a can of soup so >> totally containing itself that it has no outside surface. >> The above words are my own unique creation. > > There is no need for an isomorphism between a set an a can of soup. > There is nothing inherently incoherent in Quine's atom. Some set > theories allow it, some don't. Cantor's theory does not say either > way. > Quine atoms (named after Willard Van Orman Quine) are sets that only contain themselves, that is, sets that satisfy the formula x = {x}. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urelement#Quine_atoms Wrongo. This is exactly isomorphic to the incoherent notion of a can of soup so totally containing itself that it has no outside boundary. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer