Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: x Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Phillip Johnson wiki Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 14:34:26 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 261 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="14487"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Qrtj77IdR3dc52HAP3r2dUJKQ34= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id E1E2722986F; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 17:34:37 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8628C22978C for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 17:34:35 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1skVk1-00000001Kv2-0BdK; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 23:34:41 +0200 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C70745F836 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 21:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/C70745F836; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=x.org id 69596DC01A9; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 23:34:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 23:34:27 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+b5glV7IS0A5Aq4yVEqwYvVK3GpB2zQBB8ShQsYLbjKA== HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,URIBL_BLOCKED,URIBL_SBL_A,URI_DOTEDU autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 16352 On 8/31/24 14:17, Kestrel Clayton wrote: > On 31-Aug-24 16:36, x wrote: >> On 8/28/24 18:16, RonO wrote: >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_E._Johnson >>> >>> Earlier this month I noted that someone had remove the Johnson >>> capitulation quote from the Johnson wiki.  There seems to be no valid >>> reason for removing the quote, and Athel claimed that he had emailed >>> the editor that made the edit to see what was going on.  I guess >>> nothing has come of the request. >>> >>> The quote actually brings closure to the entire wiki entry of which a >>> major part is about Johnson's participation in the intelligent design >>> creationist scam. >>> >>> There is absolutely no doubt that Phillip Johnson wanted ID taught in >>> the public schools.  He had made it part of his Wedge strategy.  It >>> was one of the 5 years goals listed in the Wedge document, but 20/20 >>> hindsight indicates that Johnson never fully understood the science, >>> and did not understand that the ID perps never had any legitimate ID >>> science worth teaching in the public schools. >>> >>> The Phillip Johnson wiki has the claim that Johnson did not >>> understand scientific reasoning "In 1993 the ASA's Perspectives on >>> Science and Christian Faith published a review of Darwin on Trial by >>> Nancey Murphy, an associate professor of Christian philosophy at >>> Fuller Theological Seminary, who described Johnson's arguments as >>> "dogmatic and unconvincing", primarily because "he does not >>> adequately understand scientific reasoning.""  Johnson had been >>> convinced by the other ID perps that the ID science existed, and >>> could be taught in the public schools. >>> >>> Johnson got others involved in the ID scam.  Most notably then >>> Senator Santorum.  Johnson supposedly wrote the draft of the IDiotic >>> "amendment" to the no child left behind legislation that was >>> submitted by Santorum and ended up in the appendix of that >>> legislation.  Both Santorum and Johnson claimed that the inclusion of >>> the "amendment" supported teaching intelligent design in the public >>> schools. >>> >>> By 2002 most of the other ID perps at the Discovery Institute likely >>> understood that they had nothing worth teaching as ID science in the >>> public schools, so when Ohio hit the fan and the ID perps were >>> invited to give their dog and pony show to the Ohio State School >>> board the ID perps decided to start running a bait and switch scam >>> where they would just use ID as bait, but only give the rubes an >>> obfuscation and denial swtich scam that the ID perps would tell the >>> creationist rubes had nothing to do with ID.  It does not look like >>> the ID perps bothered to inform Santorum and Johnson of what they >>> planned to do because both Johnson and Santorum came out in support >>> of teaching ID in the public schools in Ohio before the bait and >>> switch went down. >>> >>> Johnson put up the Santorum editorial on his ARN blog as the bait and >>> switch was going down in Ohio.  There is no reason why Johnson would >>> hang Santorum, out to dry like that if he knew that the bait and >>> switch scam was going to start to go down, and no reason for Santorum >>> to have written the opinion piece if he knew that the bait and switch >>> was going down. >>> >>> https://www.arn.org/docs/ohio/washtimes_santorum031402.htm >>> >>> QUOTE: >>> "I hate your opinions, but I would die to defend your right to express >>> them." This famous quote by the 18th-century philosopher Voltaire >>> applies to the debate currently raging in Ohio. The Board of Education >>> is discussing whether to include alternate theories of evolution in the >>> classroom. Some board members however, are opposed to Voltaire's defense >>> of rational inquiry and intellectual tolerance. They are seeking to >>> prohibit different theories other than Darwinism, from being taught to >>> students. This threatens freedom of thought and academic excellence. >>> >>> Today, the Board of Education will discuss a proposal to insert >>> "intelligent design" alongside evolution in the state's new teaching >>> standards. >>> END QUOTE: >>> >>> QUOTE: >>> At the beginning of the year, President Bush signed into law the "No >>> Child Left Behind" bill. The new law includes a science education >>> provision where Congress states that "where topics are taught that may >>> generate controversy (such as biological evolution), the curriculum >>> should help students to understand the full range of scientific views >>> that exist." If the Education Board of Ohio does not include intelligent >>> design in the new teaching standards, many students will be denied a >>> first-rate science education. Many will be left behind. >>> >>> Rick Santorum is a Republican member of the United States Senate from >>> Pennsylvania. >>> >>> © 2002 News World Communications. All rights reserved. International >>> copyright secured. >>> File Date: 3.14.02 >>> END QUOTE: >>> >>> So neither Santorum nor Johnson likely knew of the strategy shift for >>> the ID scam.  After Ohio 2002 the ID perps only used the teach ID >>> scam as bait, and never delivered any ID science to any creationist >>> rubes that wanted to teach it. >>> >>> You could still download the teach ID scam booklet from a Discovery >>> Institute web site when Dover hit the fan, but the bait and switch >>> had gone down in every case for the previous 3 years after Ohio. >>> >>> https://web.archive.org/web/20040921022045/http://www.discovery.org/ >>> scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=58 >>> >>> QUOTE: >>> 9. Conclusion >>>       Local school boards and state education officials are >>> frequently pressured to avoid teaching the controversy regarding >>> biological origins. Indeed, many groups, such as the National Academy >>> of Sciences, go so far as to deny the existence of any genuine >>> scientific controversy about the issue.(162) Nevertheless, teachers >>> should be reassured that they have the right to expose their students >>> to the problems as well as the appeal of Darwinian theory. Moreover, >>> as the previous discussion demonstrates, school boards have the >>> authority to permit, and even encourage, teaching about design theory >>> as an alternative to Darwinian evolution--and this includes the use >>> of textbooks such as Of Pandas and People that present evidence for >>> the theory of intelligent design. >>> >>>       The controlling legal authority, the Supreme Court's decision >>> in Edwards v. Aguillard, explicitly permits the inclusion of >>> alternatives to Darwinian evolution so long as those alternatives are >>> based on scientific evidence and not motivated by strictly religious >>> concerns. Since design theory is based on scientific evidence rather >>> than religious assumptions, it clearly meets this test. Including >>> discussions of design in the science curriculum thus serves an >>> important goal of making education inclusive, rather than >>> exclusionary. In addition, it provides students with an important >>> demonstration of the best way for them as future scientists and >>> citizens to resolve scientific controversies--by a careful and fair- >>> minded examination of the evidence. >>> END QUOTE: >>> >>> For some reason even though the bait and switch had gone down in >>> every instance for 3 years both Johnson and then Senator Santorum >>> supported the Dover School boards efforts to teach ID in the Dover >>> public schools in 2005.  Santorum was eventually clued in and had to >>> flip flop on the issue during his campaign for reelection.  As sad as >>> it may seem some of his republican opponents in the primary >>> questioned his religious convictions due changing his mind about >>> teaching intelligent design in the Pennsylvania public schools. >>> Santorum was not reelected, and when he ran for president he no >>> longer claimed to support intelligent design, but instead claimed to >>> support creationism.  It would take some willful ignorance of what >>> the ID perps were doing by running the bait and switch, but the ID >>> perps still called the switch scam "Teach the Controversy" and if you >>> look at the old propaganda produced by the Discovery Institute >>> teaching ID was part of the controversy that they wanted to teach. ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========