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From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
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Subject: Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V5 --- Professor Sipser
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On 2024-08-29 14:13:41 +0000, olcott said:

> On 8/29/2024 2:35 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2024-08-28 12:46:42 +0000, olcott said:
>> 
>>> On 8/28/2024 7:34 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>> Op 28.aug.2024 om 14:07 schreef olcott:
>>>>> On 8/28/2024 4:00 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>> Op 27.aug.2024 om 15:32 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>>>>>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
>>>>>>>      until H correctly determines that its simulated D *would never*
>>>>>>>      *stop running unless aborted* then
>>>>>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> HHH is only required to correctly predict whether or not DDD
>>>>>>> *would never stop running unless aborted*
>>>>>> And since DDD is calling an HHH that is programmed to detect the 
>>>>>> 'special condition', so that it aborts and halts, DDD halts as well and
>>>>> 
>>>>> *THIS IS YOUR REASONING*
>>>>> If you are hungry and never eat you will remain hungry.
>>>>> You are hungry and eat becoming no longer hungry.
>>>>> *This proves that you never needed to eat*
>>>> 
>>>> No, apparently, your understanding of logic English is very poor.
>>> 
>>> HHH simulates DDD until it has inductive evidence that
>>> in the purely hypothetical case where a different HHH
>>> would never abort its emulation of DDD that DDD would
>>> never terminate normally.
>>> 
>>> If we don't do it this way then infinite loops always halt.
>> 
>> I would consider the infinite loops that always halt a more useful result.
>> 
> 
> A halt decider that always ignores its input and reports
> halting is more useful?

No, but infinite loops that always halt would be useful for many
other purposes.

-- 
Mikko