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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V5
 --- Professor Sipser
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2024 07:46:42 -0500
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On 8/28/2024 7:34 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 28.aug.2024 om 14:07 schreef olcott:
>> On 8/28/2024 4:00 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 27.aug.2024 om 15:32 schreef olcott:
>>>>
>>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
>>>>      until H correctly determines that its simulated D *would never*
>>>>      *stop running unless aborted* then
>>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>>
>>>> HHH is only required to correctly predict whether or not DDD
>>>> *would never stop running unless aborted*
>>> And since DDD is calling an HHH that is programmed to detect the 
>>> 'special condition', so that it aborts and halts, DDD halts as well and 
>>
>> *THIS IS YOUR REASONING*
>> If you are hungry and never eat you will remain hungry.
>> You are hungry and eat becoming no longer hungry.
>> *This proves that you never needed to eat*
> 
> No, apparently, your understanding of logic English is very poor.

HHH simulates DDD until it has inductive evidence that
in the purely hypothetical case where a different HHH
would never abort its emulation of DDD that DDD would
never terminate normally.

If we don't do it this way then infinite loops always halt.


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