Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: origin of biological chirality? Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 09:16:04 +0200 Organization: De Ster Lines: 35 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <66c6e5b3$0$3692$426a74cc@news.free.fr> References: <9u94cjl2fv6heurev0aa1mqmcrslj3evv6@4ax.com> Reply-To: jjlxa31@xs4all.nl (J. J. Lodder) Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="64776"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.5 (ea919cf118) (Mac OS 10.12.6) To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id E9C7522986F; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 03:16:07 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC70E22978C for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 03:16:05 -0400 (EDT) id BF4B6872A8; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 03:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97ABF7FC26 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 03:16:05 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mod-relay.zaccari.net 97ABF7FC26 by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 3606B2003F2 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 09:16:03 +0200 (CEST) Thu, 22 Aug 2024 07:16:03 -0000 Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Aug 2024 09:16:03 CEST X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.10.137.58 X-Original-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net Bytes: 3465 Bob Casanova wrote: > On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 00:08:49 +0100, the following appeared > in talk.origins, posted by Ernest Major > <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk>: > > >A study has found that lipid membranes can be selectively permeable to > >one or the other sugar or amino acid enantiomer. The study used membrane > >models inspired by the membranes of modern organisms, so is not directly > >relevant to abiogenesis. However it still raises the possibility that > >membrane selectivity was the source of chirality in biological > >molecules. One possible issue is does this effect require chiral > >membrane lipids; if so it only move the question of the origin of > >chirality from sugars and amino acids to lipids. > > > ISTM that this is similar to the "matter/antimatter" > imbalance; neither is inherently more "natural" than the > other, but one became more prevalent. And IIRC, the m/am > imbalance is now assumed to be a matter of chance in the > original ratio. I could; of course, be mistaken in that; > it's been years since I followed it even casually. > > > >https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.04.23.590732v2.full.pdf It isn't. The left-handed molecules can be converted into right-handed ones, and vica versa, by taking them apart and reassembling them. For matter/antimatter there is no such possibility. Disassembling doesn't help, because you cannot turn antiquarks into quarks. Biological chirality is a triviality, the matter/antimatter imbalance is a deep problem. Where has all that antimatter gone? Jan