Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tweed Newsgroups: uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.ipad,misc.phone.mobile.iphone Subject: Re: Does Apple normally add the UK when the EU forces Apple to care about its customers? Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:39:24 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 21:39:24 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="09e2c34650ffa88b940e9eeea78f76b0"; logging-data="2465074"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+ImpX6JgLVfLUzIn2RSsYx" User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7y1Y8JGmXlXNkd4186Zii1KaG+0= sha1:YlEdWEEC4gfDjKvBT1j14ymLG7g= Bytes: 4419 Chris wrote: > Tweed wrote: >> Chris wrote: >>> Tweed wrote: >>>> Bill Powell wrote: >>>>> Apple should be able to make any connector it wants to make. >>>>> Even one which is designed specifically to prevent interaction. >>>>> >>>>> If people would just stick only to Apple products, they'd be fine >>>>> as there's no need for interoperability if you buy only Apple product. >>>>> >>>>> As Tim Cook openly said, "Buy your mom an iPhone" if you want your device >>>>> to work with another company's products. It's all Apple around here. >>>>> >>>>> So it shouldn't matter if nobody else uses Apple's connector. >>>>> It's a free and openly competitive world market, isn't it? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thing is, Apple didn’t even have inter operability between its own >>>> products. >>> >>> Agree. And I've said this before on here. >>> >>> Apple didn't transition to USB-C from USB-A well or consistently. When Macs >>> lost USB-A ports phones should have gone the same way shortly after. >>> >>> What happened instead is that Apple bundled phones with USB-A - lightning >>> charges for years without an ability to charge your phone with your Mac. In >>> all that time they sold billions of phones with USB-A chargers. >>> >>> Then, when they transitioned to USB-C, only at one end of the cable, they >>> also removed the charger (apart from ones model). So forced everyone to buy >>> chargers. >>> >>>> MacBooks have had USB-C for years (you can’t push enough power >>>> through a Lightning connector) So you couldn’t use your Mac charger to >>>> charge your Lightning connector iPhone or iPad or ear phones. Now you can. >>>> I’d understand reluctance to move to usb-c if there were any significant >>>> technical downsides, but I can’t see any. It supports a wider range of >>>> charge voltages than Lightning, has a more robust connector, (though some >>>> disagree about this) and supports a much wider range of protocols including >>>> high speed video. Lightning was a much better technical and mechanical >>>> solution than micro USB, but it is now technically and commercially >>>> obsolete. >>> >>> Agree. Lightning should have died 3-4 years ago. >>> >>> >> I wonder if Covid and the semi conductor shortage had anything to do with >> Lightning hanging on longer than it should? All manufacturers in all >> electronics sectors had supply problems, mainly with the dull low value >> devices - such as usb and power supervisory chips. As Apple had a monopoly >> with Lightning in phones perhaps they had fewer problems getting hold of >> these parts. Just speculating. > > I guess that's possible. Not sure why lightning parts would be more > sourceable than the more ubiquitous USB, though? > > Existing monopoly supply contracts and nobody else competing for those parts?