Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Chris Buckley Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: OT US Politics Again. Date: 20 Aug 2024 11:35:18 GMT Lines: 80 Message-ID: References: <52n6cjpdlpuhqp9368623orn0762u8jfmc@4ax.com> <07a17ad9-403c-a41d-2cf9-a745b6345757@example.net> X-Trace: individual.net xgkYKRDw3fSgw296FLqeDwF1upSk64SBsvxSawCgxj2EkwjjQr Cancel-Lock: sha1:tey04IFxb6fb0/Dh0W3qRXxnUlI= sha256:eByqkU6jZsDIh2SYOd7qHCsi3xjfeQeNXcec2ZweN5M= User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Bytes: 4754 On 2024-08-20, D wrote: > > > On Mon, 19 Aug 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote: > >> On 8/19/2024 9:58 AM, Paul S Person wrote: >>> On 18 Aug 2024 23:41:31 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: >>> >>>> The Horny Goat wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 09:12:15 -0700, Paul S Person >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Still probably a bad decision, though. But then, so was the private >>>>>> server itself. When working for the gummint on gummint time one really >>>>>> should use the gummint server. It might even be harder to hack than a >>>>>> private server, who can say? >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps, but Washington has the right to access a server they own at >>>>> any time they choose without a warrant. >>>> >>>> This is true, but government-owned mail servers have a whole host of >>>> requirements that come down from the DHS, from two-factor authentication >>>> on down to particular header formats. It's a major pain in the neck >>>> (and it's why small governmental organizations will try and use >>>> unauthorized mail servers whenever they possibly can). >>>> >>>> One of the big deals is that email is considered a public record and >>>> consequently needs to be archived. Its not just that it can be accessed >>>> by some other governmental organization, it all needs to be archived >>>> in specific ways. This is also a pain, but in the case of something >>>> like the Clinton server in question it's also very important for >>>> historical reference. >>> >>> Which all goes to show why the Trump/Republican attacks on Hillary for >>> having her own server had a certain ... weight and solidity ... that >>> the other attacks mostly lacked. >>> >>> One of the issues was whether anything on it was classified. I seem to >>> recall that the story was that some things may have classified >>> elsewhere, but had all been declassified on reaching the State Dept. >>> Which sounds a bit ... loosy goosy ... to me, but then Trump was found >>> to have undeniably classified paper documents at Mar-a-Lago after he >>> left office. And, since they have it camera, tried to hide them when >>> asked to give them up. >>> >>> Hillary's mail server seems almost ... quaint ... in comparison. Still >>> not a good idea, however. >> >> Trump, as PRESIDENT of the USA, had the power to declassify ANYTHING he >> wanted to. All those supposedly classified papers were declassified by him >> while he was President. >> >> And now the case has been thrown out of court due to the improper appointment >> of the prosecutor and the mismanagement of the papers seized from Trump's >> house. Trump has now filed a civil lawsuit against the DOJ for $100 million >> due to the incompetence of the DOJ. >> >> Lynn >> >> > Really? That's great news! Probably that is why european news have > completely stopped reporting on it. It was only news worthy once things > looked bad for Trump. Any eventual victories for Trump are seldom, or > never reported. The charge will undoubtedly be back. I regard it as the only legitimate prosecution of the major ones against Trump. He deserves at least a slap on the wrist for his disregarding of classifications. It doesn't deserve the attention the Democrats have focused on it, but that's politics (and how the Democrats persuaded the FBI to go full SWAT mode for the seizing of documents is undetermined, but obviously a great political success for them.) The case got thrown out until a different special prosecutor is appointed. The one appointed is legitimate according to Department of Justice's rules, but other laws strongly imply that he needed to be approved by Congress at some point in his life (and all other special prosecutors have been.) It all depends on definitions, as so many things do. Chris