Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic,comp.ai.philosophy Subject: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 11:09:19 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 76 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 18:09:20 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="762b9261836a2c687f6b79db999518fc"; logging-data="5297"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+fv0IFqTF3avMSCqvP9O0e" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:8TURAAUCEbFLUIFBd6MOIFakPwk= Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3429 People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language. That is isomorphic to trying to get away with disagreeing with arithmetic. typedef void (*ptr)(); int H0(ptr P); void Infinite_Loop() { HERE: goto HERE; } void Infinite_Recursion() { Infinite_Recursion(); } void DDD() { H0(DDD); } int main() { H0(Infinite_Loop); H0(Infinite_Recursion); H0(DDD); } Every C programmer that knows what an x86 emulator is knows that when H0 emulates the machine language of Infinite_Loop, Infinite_Recursion, and DDD that it must abort these emulations so that itself can terminate normally. When this is construed as non-halting criteria then simulating termination analyzer H0 is correct to reject these inputs as non-halting by returning 0 to its caller. Simulating termination analyzers must report on the behavior that their finite string input specifies thus H0 must report that DDD correctly emulated by H0 remains stuck in recursive simulation. If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running unless aborted then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. People are trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language by disagreeing that The call from DDD to HHH(DDD) when N steps of DDD are correctly emulated by any pure function x86 emulator HHH cannot possibly return. _DDD() [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 [00002182] 5d pop ebp [00002183] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] *A 100% complete and total rewrite of the prior paper* https://www.researchgate.net/publication/381636432_Termination_Analyzer_H_is_Not_Fooled_by_Pathological_Input_P -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer