Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Higher Education Is Overrated Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2024 13:22:39 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 79 Message-ID: References: <9qrfcj93d7aaig8lb0onaudcogvcnt6prk@4ax.com> <%J2zO.993860$MC82.650601@fx17.iad> <50l7djp70iih6u5ihjatud4tjn8a1jv95t@4ax.com> <76m7djholh22mnrcou9kr3dkt7dmbr5q1a@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2024 20:22:39 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c4c706ecca62e540ab02291934f2c4f2"; logging-data="1674825"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/7QdZ9L/Lrqi4y1Ci1oKE5" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:bOFHYjjy338ZB6Srccumhtk83u8= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4997 On 9/1/2024 12:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 11:54:00 -0500, AMuzi wrote: > >> On 9/1/2024 11:25 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>> On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 10:10:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote: >>> >>>> On 8/31/2024 11:00 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 20:34:08 -0700, Jeff Liebermann >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> YouTube is crammed full of longbow related videos: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's a short video of what it takes to shoot a 155 lb longbow: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> More videos (by the same author) on shooting a 155 lb warbow (long >>>>> bow): >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "175 lb warbow vs shield" >>>>> (0:43) >>>>> 14 gauge (0.072 in) steel shield. He also shoots a 165 lb and a 45 lb >>>>> recurve. >>>>> >>>>> Spoiler: 175 lb penetrated the shield. 165 lbs was marginal. 45 lb >>>>> bounced off the shield. >>> >>>> Good choice against French mounted armor. >>> >>> The long bow probably wasn't used against the armored French nights. >>> The long bow was probably used against their unarmored horses. >>> >>> This discussion got me interested in the Battle of Agincourt, which >>> allegedly was won by the English longbow archers. I found a video on >>> the topic which suggests that wasn't quite true. The battle was won >>> by the English archers, but not so much by their use of the longbow. >>> The field of battle had turned to mud after several days of rain. The >>> French knights got bogged down and stuck in the mud. After targeting >>> the unarmored horses, the English archers saw the opportunity, >>> discarded their longbows and massacred the French knights using hand >>> weapons. As one might suspect, they were quite effective using hand >>> weapons because of the arm muscle strength required to be an archer. >>> There are also some interesting comments as to the knights profiting >>> from battles by ransoming their opponents while the lowly archers had >>> no such incentive to take prisoners. >>> >>> "How The Longbow Defeated The French At Agincourt" >>> 44:51 >>> >>> The story is somewhat substantiated by this article: >>> "9 Things You May Not Know About the Battle of Agincourt" >>> >>> See item #5. >>> >>> Incidentally, the video also shows some of the paperwork involved in >>> managing a for profit battle. > >> Doesn't every schoolboy know about the muddy field of Agincourt? > > Yes, I knew the story about the muddy fields, but I don't recall > reading anything about how the mud affected the actions of both sides > or about the monetary motivations of those involved. I was certainly > not presented with anything even close to the story offered in the > video. Prior to reading, I just assumed that the longbow was some > kind of super-weapon that was directly responsible for defeating the > French. In other words, I didn't get the details or the complete > picture. > > Makes sense; me too. The English firing arrows into slow/stuck cavalry is about as much as I knew until your helpful details. -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971