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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cursitor Doom Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,us.politics Subject: Re: kids these days Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 14:30:48 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 169 Message-ID: <3i9lfj57mhfe657c5mcbd3mmap61q4m1ik@4ax.com> References: <2h0jfjhlq7ic02h5f72a3ibsksv5mkg6aj@4ax.com> <2stkfjph6d7s5h50hafmsia5ep7209ds3e@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:30:50 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="befe3a24877ef5311303284f03fdebbd"; logging-data="2380682"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19E0Q+62fTy0R3VG7e+VXOzQuvZji2wm3s=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:8KMmr9PggB+0iw5qC+CU7NdJtdM= Bytes: 9801 On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 11:35:31 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote: >On a sunny day (Mon, 30 Sep 2024 11:05:37 +0100) it happened Cursitor Doom > wrote in <2stkfjph6d7s5h50hafmsia5ep7209ds3e@4ax.com>: > >>On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 05:31:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>wrote: >> >>>On a sunny day (Sun, 29 Sep 2024 10:49:25 -0700) it happened john larkin >>> wrote in : >>> >>>>On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 17:04:57 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>>On a sunny day (Sun, 29 Sep 2024 17:41:36 +0100) it happened Cursitor Doom >>>>> wrote in <2h0jfjhlq7ic02h5f72a3ibsksv5mkg6aj@4ax.com>: >>>>> >>>>>>On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 13:22:31 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On a sunny day (Sun, 29 Sep 2024 10:10:33 +0100) it happened Cursitor Doom >>>>>>> wrote in : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 08:42:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On a sunny day (Thu, 26 Sep 2024 16:21:31 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>>>>>> wrote in : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bosses-firing-gen-z-grads-111719818.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Oh. I just hired one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>There is a lot of truth in that article. >>>>>>>>>I have had to work with newcomers, some knew nothing >>>>>>>>>But then when I started... in my first job designing a.o. mil stuff >>>>>>>>>I had to figure it all out for myself the same day the requests got on the table. >>>>>>>>>One old guy, who had some experience with electronics but had a lot with high power stuff.. >>>>>>>>>and a manager to rule us, was the environment, and a big factory floor building the things we came up with, and >>>>>>>>>a test room (HV stuff 100 kV etc megawatt stuff.. and a little corner and oscilloscope for me to test what I came up >>>>>>>>>with, >>>>>>>>>build proto circuits. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Later when starting in broadcasting we got 6 month in the school benches in their own studio, while getting payed, >>>>>>>>>and exams after that, everything from audio, video, satellite, management, politics (who can do what, red phones sort of >>>>>>>>>thing), the works. >>>>>>>>>As that (video, audio etc) was my real interest, I found it relaxing and fun. >>>>>>>>>Then when you are put in charge of a real event, I remember the first day I ran alone in a head control room >>>>>>>>>I had to call my boss back from his dinner in some restaurant.. could not find the cables we had to swap >>>>>>>>>to sync some remote location, >>>>>>>>>turned out those were hidden under the floor boards .. >>>>>>>>>Did not they tell you that? >>>>>>>>> (Must have missed that :-) ). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It all depends,. >>>>>>>>>Do you give the poor new guy training? ANY kind of training? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>He doesn't have to. John has this screening technique he uses for job >>>>>>>>applicants. He shows them a diagram of two 1k resistors in series with >>>>>>>>10V across them and asks them what the voltage where they join is. If >>>>>>>>they freak out, burst into tears or defenestrate themselves, he knows >>>>>>>>not to hire them. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Yes I did read that posting >>>>>>>Its hard, lemme see, e=m.c^12 likely does not help. >>>>>>>to make it easier for me I use volts, so if 3k3 + 4k7 in series gives 8 volts >>>>>>>then we know 3k3 gives 3.3 V across it and 4k7 4.7 volts across it >>>>>>>Best is to use trimpots to get the right value, no math needed... >>>>>>>And of course you need to bring the (multi?)meter impedance into play, especially for high >>>>>>>value resistors and moving coil meters from old boat anchors for example. >>>>>>>And there are LDRs and NTCs and PTCs, so we need to know all that >>>>>>>and the temperature and light intensity... >>>>>>>for the NTCs and PTCs we also need to know the current and time since switch on... >>>>>>>So no wonder if they defenestrate themselves. >>>>>>>An other issue maybe length contraction due to near light speed that may affect both measurement equipment and resistors. >>>>>>>And reading those colored bands around some resistors to get the value. >>>>>>>and wirewound, carbon composite, metal, >>>>>>> And then J.L. did not specify if it was DeeSee or AH!See >>>>>>>Imagine 2 1k resistors, one wire-wound, the other metal flim, >>>>>>>The wire-wound would work as inductor for RF, so would some small metal ones with some turns on it.. >>>>>>>And then there are tolerances, simple maybe for 2 resistors from the same batch >>>>>>>but tolerances, sometimes a silver or gold band will give a clue >>>>>>>will change the outcome. >>>>>>>So as the saying goes: "Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated" >>>>>>>Opps, composite carbon reisors maye aso be sensitve to moisture? And maybe pressue? >>>>>>>Those would often go high in teefee sets... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>... >>>>>> >>>>>>Jan, you're massively over-complicating this! :-) The resistors in my >>>>>>example are both 1k so it's half the supply rail. But you knew that >>>>>>anyway. >>>>>>The answers you gave show that you know your subject. Unfortunately, >>>>>>as we know from what John's stated here before, the graduates he >>>>>>interviews have no idea what the fuck they're doing. The Chinese are >>>>>>going to kick our arses if they aren't already. >>>>>> >>>>>>Oh - and carbon resistors are noisy. And I don't think you mentioned >>>>>>the source resistance of the supply. We could go on. And on. And >>>>>>on.... But that's not what John asked for. He only wanted a first >>>>>>approximation which would be 5 Volts. But that's too much for today's >>>>>>grads, it seems. :( >>>>> >>>>>Sure, but I find it hard to believe, >>>>>we had a lab and were required to do measurements etc.. in my school days. >>>>>Not only electronics, some mechanics too. >>>>>But indeed there is nothing like practical experience, in my school >>>>>it was known that only hobbyists would psss the exams... >>>>> >>>>>Electronics is a huge field, on top of that now comes programming.. oh and now AI.. >>>>>And ever higher frequencies... ever more software (like peeseebee software for example) >>>>>protocols, what not... standarss... >>>>> >>>>>And in spite of all that : US could do a moon return in the sixties, July 1969 >>>>>now they are stuck and need to be saved from the ISS.. >>>>>SpaceX just did sent up a rescue mission: >>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy89kz8ge41o >>>>> >>>>>US IQ is dropping, no empire lasted forever.. >>>> >>>>What's happening is that the normal distribution is getting wider, and >>>>not just in the USA. Some of the fringes are geniuses, and a society >>>>benefits from having even a few geniuses. >>> >>>Look at China >>> >>> >>>>Being reflexively anti-American is no substitute for thinking. I still >>>>think that the USA is the best place to design electronics. >>> >>>I observe, like I do when I use a scope to see what is happening in a circuit. >>>Now is-a-hell hits Jemen.. US weapon factories are having a party, >>>you pay more taxes.. >>>Bad system. >>> >>>As your enemies get more powerful and more unite, you are a sitting duck. >>>Just a big war industry making war to sell at taxpayer's cost >>>making losses, a deficit the greatest on earth and in history. >>> >>>Should any sane person ADMIRE that disaster? >>>Half senile president and an ego tripper criminal as aspiring precedent. >>> >>>Hide under the table I've heard is the tactics recommended by you leaders. >>>? >> >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9scNl9h4Q > >Yep, that is the one :-) Indeed. But for those of us humans without shells, I'm assured hiding under a school desk is equally effective for any nuclear blasts up to 10 megatons. > > >>I couldn't find the version with advert at the end "sponsored by Acme >>Cigarettes - the mild smoke for kids" :-) > >Oops.. >Anyways they are all on Fetanyl or something these days? Yeah, the under 10s are all on Fentanyl and the teenagers have moved on to this stuff called 'duster' I gather. I'm told it's 20 times more addictive than crack cocaine and Wallmart sells it for $2 a can. Kids these days have it all. When I was young, street drugs didn't even exist.