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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cursitor Doom Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Exploding pagers Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 16:59:39 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 18:59:39 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2f7f70ff69d7f29046b387e916197af9"; logging-data="1251477"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/LSOr2zXZtKQN1/91bbxG1j/lWja+iIX0=" User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Cancel-Lock: sha1:MAMAITWatfejTaMCfo9bghb80MY= Bytes: 3556 On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 23:51:38 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote: > On 9/19/24 23:01, Cursitor Doom wrote: >> On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 06:37:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote: >> >>> On a sunny day (Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:39:17 -0700) it happened john >>> larkin wrote in >>> : >>> >>>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:18:26 -0500, Crash Gordon >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pagers, even with a cheap LiPo battery that fails, do not explode. >>>>> Somebody built hundreds, maybe thousands, of intentionally >>>>> booby-trapped pagers and then managed to distribute them to a large >>>>> group of targeted individuals. >>>>> >>>>> This absolutely screams "state actor" but all of the states that >>>>> would be capable of pulling it off have disavowed any connection, as >>>>> would be expected. >>>>> >>>>> Posting is on-topic for s.e.d because these things had to be >>>>> *designed*. >>>>> Targets can be expected to cross security boundaries so these >>>>> pagers >>>>> had to look like normal pagers under X-ray, and had to not "smell" >>>>> like explosives. Putting aside, for sake of discussion, the horror >>>>> of the device itself and the evil necessary to conceive and deploy >>>>> it, one has to on some level, admire the skill required to manage >>>>> it. >>>> >>>> It's assumed that the Israelis booby-trapped the batch of pagers that >>>> were bought by Hezbollah. Fiendishly clever. >>>> >>>> I'm surprised that anybody still makes or uses pagers. >>> >>> They used batteries filled with an explosive that would trigger when >>> temperature rised above some point They could heat your smartphone >>> battery by hacking or even some sucking website or email. >>> So be carefull what batteries you use, same for the equipment you >>> make. Simple heat up test in safety chamber would be a good idea? >> >> Is there such an explosive? High explosives - as it appears were used >> here - generally need a significant *shock* to set them off. Heat alone >> isn't normally enough and even if it were, the temp required would have >> necessitated the rapid discarding of the pager before it got >> sufficiently hot. > > There are high explosives that can be set off by a feather and others > that wouldn't go even when dropped down from a plane. > > Jeroen Belleman Yes, I know. But *name one* which could be used in a pager that explodes from raising its temperature.