Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jan Panteltje Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,us.politics Subject: Re: kids these days Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 11:35:31 GMT Message-ID: References: <2h0jfjhlq7ic02h5f72a3ibsksv5mkg6aj@4ax.com> <2stkfjph6d7s5h50hafmsia5ep7209ds3e@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 11:35:32 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="1342717"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: NewsFleX-1.5.7.5 (Linux-5.15.32-v7l+) Cancel-Lock: sha1:4BwJw2kR/Q9ZuPi2Bkb2IEwoFvU= X-User-ID: eJwNxskBwDAIA7CVOIwD47QB9h+h1UvhVN4DBhEbWzV34x12Yx5h/9+42qmgT6UVRpJZ3HgMXQnTdpGCHe8PbHAVIw== X-Newsreader-location: NewsFleX-1.5.7.5 (c) 'LIGHTSPEED' off line news reader for the Linux platform NewsFleX homepage: http://www.panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/ and ftp download ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/linux/system/news/readers/ Bytes: 9245 Lines: 155 On a sunny day (Mon, 30 Sep 2024 11:05:37 +0100) it happened Cursitor Doom wrote in <2stkfjph6d7s5h50hafmsia5ep7209ds3e@4ax.com>: >On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 05:31:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje >wrote: > >>On a sunny day (Sun, 29 Sep 2024 10:49:25 -0700) it happened john larkin >> wrote in : >> >>>On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 17:04:57 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>wrote: >>> >>>>On a sunny day (Sun, 29 Sep 2024 17:41:36 +0100) it happened Cursitor Doom >>>> wrote in <2h0jfjhlq7ic02h5f72a3ibsksv5mkg6aj@4ax.com>: >>>> >>>>>On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 13:22:31 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On a sunny day (Sun, 29 Sep 2024 10:10:33 +0100) it happened Cursitor Doom >>>>>> wrote in : >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 08:42:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On a sunny day (Thu, 26 Sep 2024 16:21:31 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>>>>> wrote in : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bosses-firing-gen-z-grads-111719818.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Oh. I just hired one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>There is a lot of truth in that article. >>>>>>>>I have had to work with newcomers, some knew nothing >>>>>>>>But then when I started... in my first job designing a.o. mil stuff >>>>>>>>I had to figure it all out for myself the same day the requests got on the table. >>>>>>>>One old guy, who had some experience with electronics but had a lot with high power stuff.. >>>>>>>>and a manager to rule us, was the environment, and a big factory floor building the things we came up with, and >>>>>>>>a test room (HV stuff 100 kV etc megawatt stuff.. and a little corner and oscilloscope for me to test what I came up >>>>>>>>with, >>>>>>>>build proto circuits. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Later when starting in broadcasting we got 6 month in the school benches in their own studio, while getting payed, >>>>>>>>and exams after that, everything from audio, video, satellite, management, politics (who can do what, red phones sort of >>>>>>>>thing), the works. >>>>>>>>As that (video, audio etc) was my real interest, I found it relaxing and fun. >>>>>>>>Then when you are put in charge of a real event, I remember the first day I ran alone in a head control room >>>>>>>>I had to call my boss back from his dinner in some restaurant.. could not find the cables we had to swap >>>>>>>>to sync some remote location, >>>>>>>>turned out those were hidden under the floor boards .. >>>>>>>>Did not they tell you that? >>>>>>>> (Must have missed that :-) ). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It all depends,. >>>>>>>>Do you give the poor new guy training? ANY kind of training? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>He doesn't have to. John has this screening technique he uses for job >>>>>>>applicants. He shows them a diagram of two 1k resistors in series with >>>>>>>10V across them and asks them what the voltage where they join is. If >>>>>>>they freak out, burst into tears or defenestrate themselves, he knows >>>>>>>not to hire them. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>>Yes I did read that posting >>>>>>Its hard, lemme see, e=m.c^12 likely does not help. >>>>>>to make it easier for me I use volts, so if 3k3 + 4k7 in series gives 8 volts >>>>>>then we know 3k3 gives 3.3 V across it and 4k7 4.7 volts across it >>>>>>Best is to use trimpots to get the right value, no math needed... >>>>>>And of course you need to bring the (multi?)meter impedance into play, especially for high >>>>>>value resistors and moving coil meters from old boat anchors for example. >>>>>>And there are LDRs and NTCs and PTCs, so we need to know all that >>>>>>and the temperature and light intensity... >>>>>>for the NTCs and PTCs we also need to know the current and time since switch on... >>>>>>So no wonder if they defenestrate themselves. >>>>>>An other issue maybe length contraction due to near light speed that may affect both measurement equipment and resistors. >>>>>>And reading those colored bands around some resistors to get the value. >>>>>>and wirewound, carbon composite, metal, >>>>>> And then J.L. did not specify if it was DeeSee or AH!See >>>>>>Imagine 2 1k resistors, one wire-wound, the other metal flim, >>>>>>The wire-wound would work as inductor for RF, so would some small metal ones with some turns on it.. >>>>>>And then there are tolerances, simple maybe for 2 resistors from the same batch >>>>>>but tolerances, sometimes a silver or gold band will give a clue >>>>>>will change the outcome. >>>>>>So as the saying goes: "Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated" >>>>>>Opps, composite carbon reisors maye aso be sensitve to moisture? And maybe pressue? >>>>>>Those would often go high in teefee sets... >>>>>> >>>>>>... >>>>> >>>>>Jan, you're massively over-complicating this! :-) The resistors in my >>>>>example are both 1k so it's half the supply rail. But you knew that >>>>>anyway. >>>>>The answers you gave show that you know your subject. Unfortunately, >>>>>as we know from what John's stated here before, the graduates he >>>>>interviews have no idea what the fuck they're doing. The Chinese are >>>>>going to kick our arses if they aren't already. >>>>> >>>>>Oh - and carbon resistors are noisy. And I don't think you mentioned >>>>>the source resistance of the supply. We could go on. And on. And >>>>>on.... But that's not what John asked for. He only wanted a first >>>>>approximation which would be 5 Volts. But that's too much for today's >>>>>grads, it seems. :( >>>> >>>>Sure, but I find it hard to believe, >>>>we had a lab and were required to do measurements etc.. in my school days. >>>>Not only electronics, some mechanics too. >>>>But indeed there is nothing like practical experience, in my school >>>>it was known that only hobbyists would psss the exams... >>>> >>>>Electronics is a huge field, on top of that now comes programming.. oh and now AI.. >>>>And ever higher frequencies... ever more software (like peeseebee software for example) >>>>protocols, what not... standarss... >>>> >>>>And in spite of all that : US could do a moon return in the sixties, July 1969 >>>>now they are stuck and need to be saved from the ISS.. >>>>SpaceX just did sent up a rescue mission: >>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy89kz8ge41o >>>> >>>>US IQ is dropping, no empire lasted forever.. >>> >>>What's happening is that the normal distribution is getting wider, and >>>not just in the USA. Some of the fringes are geniuses, and a society >>>benefits from having even a few geniuses. >> >>Look at China >> >> >>>Being reflexively anti-American is no substitute for thinking. I still >>>think that the USA is the best place to design electronics. >> >>I observe, like I do when I use a scope to see what is happening in a circuit. >>Now is-a-hell hits Jemen.. US weapon factories are having a party, >>you pay more taxes.. >>Bad system. >> >>As your enemies get more powerful and more unite, you are a sitting duck. >>Just a big war industry making war to sell at taxpayer's cost >>making losses, a deficit the greatest on earth and in history. >> >>Should any sane person ADMIRE that disaster? >>Half senile president and an ego tripper criminal as aspiring precedent. >> >>Hide under the table I've heard is the tactics recommended by you leaders. >>? > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9scNl9h4Q Yep, that is the one :-) >I couldn't find the version with advert at the end "sponsored by Acme >Cigarettes - the mild smoke for kids" :-) Oops.. Anyways they are all on Fetanyl or something these days?