Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Edward Rawde" Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:00:28 -0400 Organization: BWH Usenet Archive (https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com) Lines: 109 Message-ID: References: <0s9bej1bhklummnn5iduadn94uvvne5k26@4ax.com> <31kbejpg6dos3fdm81oq42a4rgcenu4lk1@4ax.com> <0naeej138o8cftms0eve74d89v7gn89525@4ax.com> Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:00:29 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com; logging-data="35885"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blueworldhosting.com" Cancel-Lock: sha1:s/7EqHZ/YTKmi9sL85x3jyiU4TE= sha256:dQvcRiPS+Url66oz8gG+eHFnnYIsES7yFABlBHx+1jg= sha1:mobgnh0rUlblte8KgVuzGVW2lPk= sha256:lGcw2Id62bLYx8gAGr5FrWjWSXT9+auhYOL81X6nln4= X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Priority: 3 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Bytes: 5941 "john larkin" wrote in message news:0naeej138o8cftms0eve74d89v7gn89525@4ax.com... > On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:19:58 -0400, "Edward Rawde" > wrote: > >>"john larkin" wrote in message news:pc1eej9v5j8i25qm38l4jffodn7eb4c2f6@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 23:28:40 -0400, "Edward Rawde" >>> wrote: >>> >>>>"john larkin" wrote in message news:kaicejdhq0cudpivno5qmtes8al3tu8hje@4ax.com... >>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 17:04:32 -0400, "Edward Rawde" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>"john larkin" wrote in message news:31kbejpg6dos3fdm81oq42a4rgcenu4lk1@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes away when >>>>>>>>> an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be quantum". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only works at >>>>>>> liquid helium temperatures." >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of the >>>>>>>>gaps. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one example. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million stored >>>>>>> images, in a fraction of a second. >>>>>> >>>>>>In a way which is similar to the way this does it. >>>>>>https://www.google.com/search?&q=eiffel+tower&udm=2 >>>>>>Just in reverse. >>>>>>So choose any of the above images and save it. >>>>>>Now go here >>>>>>https://images.google.com/ >>>>>>And upload the image and see how long it takes for the words "eiffel tower" to appear. >>>>>> >>>>>>Also it's possible you might not know the correct spelling. >>>>>>https://www.google.com/search?&q=ifle+tower&udm=2 >>>> >>>>Does the lack of response here mean that you agree that I provided a valid explanation of how >>>>"we can name one image out of maybe a million stored images, in a fraction of a second." ? >>>> >>>>No-one is suggesting that Google does it exactly the same way the human brain does >>>>but you asked for an explanation of how it is possible. >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Face and voice recognition are similarly amazing. >>>>>> >>>>>>But it is becoming much easier to do them without a human brain as time goes by. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Of course, the machines and the code that do google's image matching >>>>> were designed by people. >>>>> >>>> >>>>You mean like >>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo_Zero >>>>is just code so all it can do is something like >>>>if {player makes this move} then {respond with that move} ? >>>> >>>>If you're going to stick with the idea that something designed people then what designed the thing which designed people and >>>>what >>>>designed the thing which designed the thing which designed people? >>>> >>>>What are you going to say when a thing designed by people becomes able to design electronic circuits better than you can? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I check up now and then on FLUX.AI, just for fun. >> >>I've never used it. >>I have a general dislike of "sign up with Google" etc and pay a monthly subscription if you want anything worth using. >>My last interaction with schematic/pcb software a few weeks ago was getting some Protel99SE files into KiCad. >>That and simulating an LTC4267-3 circuit in LTSpice. > > One Flux concept is collaborative design, multiple people having > simultaneous access to a schematic or PCB or code. That's insane. Maybe, but you're likely to find that they attract users who think it will make their lives easier. Maybe it will at some future time. > >> >>> >>> A while back they were looking to hire a bunch of full-stack software >>> types and one hardware intern. >>> >> > > I recently installed an addon to Firfefox that kills the Goggle > sign-in atrocity. My life is much improved. I mostly ignore Google sign in. uBlock Origin can probably kill it but no need. >