Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Moebius Newsgroups: sci.logic,sci.math Subject: Re: Replacement of Cardinality Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 07:50:12 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <75e2ce0e-7df8-4266-968b-9c58e4140b03@att.net> <35d8c0a1-dab3-4c15-8f24-068e8200cb07@att.net> <4412ba58-855f-401d-9fd0-879d5cb50062@att.net> <219eed30-9918-4759-9b7e-826088fc91c9@att.net> <0aae40c7-1092-4b12-99dc-290aa5a94021@att.net> <80662980-e93e-4af4-9489-f17fad3097d1@att.net> Reply-To: invalid@example.invalid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 07:50:13 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8de5541c6b599521b97afbd172dfb739"; logging-data="1409954"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19nZxjq8lD0X2+eTN4s8DFN" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Hws7eU+prgKqSmOW29n9pIhS9YY= In-Reply-To: <80662980-e93e-4af4-9489-f17fad3097d1@att.net> Content-Language: de-DE Bytes: 2668 Am 16.08.2024 um 07:05 schrieb Jim Burns: > On 8/15/2024 7:16 PM, Moebius wrote: >> Am 16.08.2024 um 00:51 schrieb Jim Burns: > >>> Half or more of my proofs to WM say >>> "Assume otherwise... However... Contradiction." >> >> Yeah, to be precise a proof by contradiction >> assumes a STATEMENT/CLAIM. > > Many times, a false existence claim. Right. > √2 is irrational. This statement is just nonsense, _if_ "√2" is not already defined.*) > ⎛ Assume otherwise. Nope. You clearly don't assume √2 is rational , but: > ⎜ Assume p₃,q₃ ∈ ℕ₁:  p₃⋅p₃ = 2⋅q₃⋅q₃ : > ⎝ Contradiction. ________________________________ *) Of course, _if_ we already have introduced the real numbers (i.e. IR) we may define √2 = the real number x such that x*x = 2 , (*) _after_ we have shown that that there is exactly one x e IR such that x*x = 2. From (*) we get immediately: √2*√2 = 2.