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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject: Re: Ben fails to understand
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 12:14:23 -0400
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On 7/4/24 12:06 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 7/4/2024 11:05 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 7/4/24 11:40 AM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 7/4/2024 10:14 AM, joes wrote:
>>>> Am Thu, 04 Jul 2024 09:25:29 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>> On 10/14/2022 7:44 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>>>> Python <python@invalid.org> writes:
>>>>>>>     [comment: as D halts, the simulation is faulty, Pr. Sipser 
>>>>>>> has been
>>>>>>>      fooled by Olcott shell game confusion "pretending to 
>>>>>>> simulate" and
>>>>>>>      "correctly simulate"]
>>>>>> I don't think that is the shell game.  PO really /has/ an H (it's
>>>>>> trivial to do for this one case) that correctly determines that P(P)
>>>>>> *would* never stop running *unless* aborted.  He knows and accepts 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> P(P) actually does stop.  The wrong answer is justified by what would
>>>>>> happen if H (and hence a different P) where not what they actually 
>>>>>> are.
>>>> You seem to like this quote. Do you agree with it?
>>>>
>>>
>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
>>>      until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
>>>      stop running unless aborted then
>>>
>>>      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
>>>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
>>> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>
>>> The first half of the quote agrees that the Sisper approved
>>> criteria has been met, thus unless professor Sipser is wrong
>>> H is correct to reject D as non-halting.
>>>
>>
>> Nope. Since you LIE about what Professor Sipser means by the first 
>> part, you are shown to be just a stupid liar.
>>
> 
> Ben agreed that the first part has been met therefore
> the second part <is> entailed.
> 


No, Ben says that if you redefine the question, and are not talking 
about Halting any more, you can meet your requirements.

I guess you can't read proper English.

The problem is your "never stops running unless aborted" as you 
interpret it is NOT a correct statement of Halting, as it presuems the 
looking at non-equivalent things.

You, of course, are to stupdid to understand the difference.