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From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl>
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Subject: Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2024 14:38:37 +0200
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Op 13.Jul.2024 OM 14:28 screech Fred. Warts:
> Op 13.jul.2024 om 14:15 schreef olcott:
>> On 7/13/2024 2:48 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-12 13:07:13 +0000, olcott said:
>>>
>>>> On 7/12/2024 2:49 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-11 14:40:50 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a hierarchy of prerequisites of knowledge.
>>>>>> Before anyone can understand a simulating termination
>>>>>> analyzer based on an x86 emulator they must understand
>>>>>> (1) x86 emulation
>>>>>> (2) Termination Analysis.
>>>>>
>>>>> The order should be:
>>>>> (1) termination analysis and termination analyzer,
>>>>> (2) simulating termination analyzer,
>>>>> (3) x86,
>>>>> (4) x86 emulation,
>>>>> (5) simulating termination analyzer based on an x86 emulator.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *That order has proven to not work*
>>>> People are getting stuck on x86 emulation.
>>>
>>> In that case it is likely that no order that contains x86 emulation at
>>> any point will not work.
>>>
>>
>> The issue with this is that people believe that they
>> can disagree with the x86 language. That is the same
>> as disagreeing with arithmetic, not allowed.
>>
> 
> The real issue is that olcott thinks he can change the semantics of the 
> x86 language at will. He thinks that the behaviour of a program does not 
> change if it is halted halfway its execution. Therefore, he does not 
> understand that when the simulation of a halting program is aborted 
> before it reaches its end, it is still a correct simulation according to 
> the semantics of the x86 language.
> 
before it reaches its end, it is an incorrect simulation according to 
the semantics of the x86 language.