Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH maps its input to the behavior specified by it --- never reaches its halt state --- Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2024 08:41:14 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2024 15:41:14 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="bb86fb6b7518b299c8da34bf84593b17"; logging-data="787997"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/G+2abmMVK9lD77fltJxQT" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:38W4tU1tPUJVQYKNWbpcETrdgVY= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3433 On 8/9/2024 1:39 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 09.aug.2024 om 05:03 schreef olcott: >> On 8/8/2024 9:52 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 8/8/24 9:15 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> >>>> void DDD() >>>> { >>>>    HHH(DDD); >>>>    return; >>>> } >>>> >>>> Each HHH of every HHH that can possibly exist definitely >>>> *emulates zero to infinity instructions correctly* In >>>> none of these cases does the emulated DDD ever reach >>>> its "return" instruction halt state. >>>> >>>> *There are no double-talk weasel words around this* >>>> *There are no double-talk weasel words around this* >>>> *There are no double-talk weasel words around this* >>>> >>>> There is no need to show any execution trace at the x86 level >>>> every expert in the C language sees that the emulated DDD >>>> cannot possibly reaches its "return" instruction halt state. >>>> >>>> Every rebuttal that anyone can possibly make is necessarily >>>> erroneous because the first paragraph is a tautology. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Nope, it is a lie based on comfusing the behavior of DDD which is >>> what "Halting" is. >>> >> >> Finally something besides >> the strawman deception, >> disagreeing with a tautology, or >> pure ad hominem. >> >> You must first agree with everything that I said above >> before we can get to this last and final point that it >> not actually directly referenced above. >> >> *Two key facts* >> (a) The "return" instruction is the halt state of DDD. >> (b) DDD correctly emulated by any HHH never reaches this state. > There is no correct simulation of HHH by itself. HHH cannot possibly > simulate itself correctly. A correct simulation of a halting program > must reach this state. Try and show how it is incorrect. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer