Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2024 15:50:54 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <6dc1845ddaf0e8145d02ff73dfbe3507fe389d58@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2024 15:50:54 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2560098"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3341 Lines: 31 Am Mon, 08 Jul 2024 10:24:09 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 7/8/2024 10:08 AM, joes wrote: >> Am Mon, 08 Jul 2024 10:04:37 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> On 7/8/2024 9:25 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>> Op 07.jul.2024 om 15:46 schreef olcott: >>> When DDD is correctly simulated by any pure function x86 emulator HHH >>> that aborts its emulation at some point calls HHH(DDD) then it is >>> correctly understood that this call cannot possibly return. >> An aborted simulation is not correct. > It turns out the the #1 best selling author of theory of computation > textbooks is not wrong when he agreed with my verbatim words. He is not, but you assume the condition has been met. > On 10/14/2022 7:44 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: > > I don't think that is the shell game. PO really /has/ an H (it's > > trivial to do for this one case) that correctly determines that P(P) > > *would* never stop running *unless* aborted. > ... > > But H determines (correctly) that D would not halt if it were not > > halted. That much is a truism. > *Proves that Ben agreed that the criteria has been met* No. P(P) IS in fact aborted, so DOES stop running. > Ben thought that H must report on the behavior of D after H aborts its > simulation before it aborts this simulation. Of course it does. If it would not run forever, it would be wrong to abort. -- Am Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:52:17 -0500 schrieb olcott: Objectively I am a genius.