Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 13:26:39 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <6ca7c213b3ec5e20ae45c951ea48fbffcf5aae91@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 13:26:39 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2114256"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3011 Lines: 34 Am Thu, 04 Jul 2024 07:46:15 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 7/4/2024 5:15 AM, joes wrote: >> Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 09:45:57 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> On 7/3/2024 9:39 AM, joes wrote: >>>> Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 08:21:40 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>> On 7/3/2024 3:26 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 21:48 schreef olcott: >>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 2:22 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 20:43 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 1:59 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-01 12:44:57 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2024 1:05 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-06-30 17:18:09 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard just said that he affirms that when DDD correctly >>>>>>>>>>>>> simulated by HHH calls HHH(DDD) that this call returns even >>>>>>>>>>>>> though the semantics of the x86 language disagrees. >>>> Which semantics? >> I repeat. What x86 semantics say that HHH can’t return? >>>>> DDD correctly emulated by HHH calls an emulated HHH(DDD) that >>>>> emulates DDD that calls an emulated HHH(DDD) >>>>> in a cycle that cannot end unless aborted. >>>> But HHH aborts, so the cycle does end. >>> As long as it is impossible for DDD correctly emulated by HHH to reach >>> its own ret instruction then DDD never halts even when its stops >>> running because its emulation was aborted. >> HHH halts by definition. Why can’t DDD? > By definition DDD calls its simulator. Yes, and nothing else. So when HHH returns, so does DDD. -- Am Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:52:17 -0500 schrieb olcott: Objectively I am a genius.