Path: ...!feed.opticnetworks.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: 197 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HHH Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 17:19:14 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 104 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 17:19:16 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1d53ffa9559a607513cb041b1d4db9b3"; logging-data="3562088"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Vs3xVMQwqNBvYqqSvG+lc" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:UrC9r33o5PKyQNL3DtQPzXvpfOE= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 6606 Op 28.jun.2024 om 17:01 schreef olcott: > On 6/28/2024 9:43 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >> Op 28.jun.2024 om 16:12 schreef olcott: >>> On 6/28/2024 3:06 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>> Op 27.jun.2024 om 19:21 schreef olcott: >>>>> >>>>> _DDD() >>>>> [00002172] 55               push ebp      ; housekeeping >>>>> [00002173] 8bec             mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping >>>>> [00002175] 6872210000       push 00002172 ; push DDD >>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff       call 000015d2 ; call H0(DDD) >>>>> [0000217f] 83c404           add esp,+04 >>>>> [00002182] 5d               pop ebp >>>>> [00002183] c3               ret >>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >>>>> >>>>> The call from DDD to H0(DDD) when DDD is correctly emulated >>>>> by x86 emulator H0 cannot possibly return. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Repeating your claim does not show any error in my reasoning. >>>> >>>> Your claim is a contradictio in terminus. >>>> 1) It is impossible for a simulator to simulate itself correctly. >>> >>> *I have already proven otherwise* >>> https://liarparadox.org/HHH(DDD)_Full_Trace.pdf >> >> Except that this trace only proved that I am right. The simulator is >> unable to simulate itself correctly, which is shown in this trace. >> > > void Infinite_Recursion() > { >   Infinite_Recursion(); > } > > That is counter-factual. HHH(DDD) does correctly emulate > the call from DDD to HHH(DDD) emulating itself emulating DDD. > > That you don't seem to have a clue about how HHH correctly > decides Infinite_Recursion() prevents your understanding of HHH(DDD). > > _Infinite_Recursion() > [00002122] 55               push ebp > [00002123] 8bec             mov ebp,esp > [00002125] e8f8ffffff       call 00002122 > [0000212a] 5d               pop ebp > [0000212b] c3               ret > Size in bytes:(0010) [0000212b] > > _main() > [00002192] 55               push ebp > [00002193] 8bec             mov ebp,esp > [00002195] 6822210000       push 00002122 > [0000219a] e833f4ffff       call 000015d2 > [0000219f] 83c404           add esp,+04 > [000021a2] 50               push eax > [000021a3] 6843070000       push 00000743 > [000021a8] e8b5e5ffff       call 00000762 > [000021ad] 83c408           add esp,+08 > [000021b0] eb04             jmp 000021b6 > [000021b2] 33c0             xor eax,eax > [000021b4] eb02             jmp 000021b8 > [000021b6] 33c0             xor eax,eax > [000021b8] 5d               pop ebp > [000021b9] c3               ret > Size in bytes:(0040) [000021b9] > >  machine   stack     stack     machine    assembly >  address   address   data      code       language >  ========  ========  ========  =========  ============= > [00002192][00103826][00000000] 55               push ebp > [00002193][00103826][00000000] 8bec             mov ebp,esp > [00002195][00103822][00002122] 6822210000       push 00002122 > [0000219a][0010381e][0000219f] e833f4ffff       call 000015d2 > New slave_stack at:1038ca > > Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation   Execution Trace Stored at:1138d2 > [00002122][001138c2][001138c6] 55               push ebp > [00002123][001138c2][001138c6] 8bec             mov ebp,esp > [00002125][001138be][0000212a] e8f8ffffff       call 00002122 > [00002122][001138ba][001138c2] 55               push ebp > [00002123][001138ba][001138c2] 8bec             mov ebp,esp > [00002125][001138b6][0000212a] e8f8ffffff       call 00002122 > Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped > > [0000219f][00103826][00000000] 83c404           add esp,+04 > [000021a2][00103822][00000000] 50               push eax > [000021a3][0010381e][00000743] 6843070000       push 00000743 > [000021a8][0010381e][00000743] e8b5e5ffff       call 00000762 > Input_Halts = 0 > [000021ad][00103826][00000000] 83c408           add esp,+08 > [000021b0][00103826][00000000] eb04             jmp 000021b6 > [000021b6][00103826][00000000] 33c0             xor eax,eax > [000021b8][0010382a][00000018] 5d               pop ebp > [000021b9][0010382e][00000000] c3               ret > Number of Instructions Executed(864) == 13 Pages > > Don't start talking about infinite recursion if you do not even understand two cycles of simulation.