Path: ...!npeer.as286.net!npeer-ng0.as286.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 09:06:43 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2024 16:06:44 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b5da22ad5ca0d0ccd5a9478202582a44"; logging-data="1472274"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19b+1wyzHcrMiNaLestcPKH" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:2I29HBvraqASyKO//1SaYtPwJU4= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3183 On 7/9/2024 3:56 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 08.jul.2024 om 19:36 schreef olcott: >> On 7/8/2024 11:16 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> You believe that two equals infinity. >> >> void Infinite_Loop() >> { >>    HERE: goto HERE; >> } >> >> void Infinite_Recursion() >> { >>    Infinite_Recursion(); >> } >> >> void DDD() >> { >>    HHH(DDD); >> } >> >> Two cycles is enough to correctly determine that none >> of the above functions correctly emulated by HHH can >> possibly halt. >> >> That you don't see this is ignorance or deception. >> > > The first two irrelevant examples cannot halt, but they differ > fundamentally from DDD, because DDD, like Finite_Recursion, halts after > N repetitions. > *I have never explained this issue to Ben this clearly before* Ben seems to believe that HHH must report that it need not abort the emulation of DDD because AFTER HHH has already aborted this emulation DDD does not need to be aborted. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer