Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jolly Roger Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone Subject: Re: People ask if the overpriced underpowered iPhone SE can compete with Android Date: 17 Jul 2024 20:41:56 GMT Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates Lines: 83 Message-ID: References: X-Trace: individual.net 5LM2VFWWVy1h7BdE3GxJnAc0GtPKkxXx+JdwJaxdvvPWhjRgA0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:dfJp29KLB6acpZoDTPXBNjnDyXg= sha256:MM3szQSFZvTfYeDb+d2Kqz48NxRYxDglAlX3tR5+dFQ= Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Face: _.g>n!a$f3/H3jA]>9pN55*5<`}Tud57>1Y%b|b-Y~()~\t,LZ3e up1/bO{=-) User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Darwin) Bytes: 4675 On 2024-07-17, badgolferman wrote: > Alan wrote: >>On 2024-07-17 11:05, Andrew wrote: >>>Jolly Roger wrote on 17 Jul 2024 16:36:15 GMT : >>> >>>>> What is technical about pointing out obvious lies? >>>> >>>> He's trying really hard to play the plausible deniability card, >>>> like most cowards do. >>> >>> Which of these facts are you religious fundamentalists claiming is >>> a lie? >> >> This particular part of the conversation was focused on your reply to >> BGM, who had said that many people prefer iOS. >> >> Your reply wasn't a listing of specifications (again). >> >> It was this (in its entirety): >> >> 'Hi badgolferman, >> >> You'll never hear me disagree with a sensibly logical statement. >> >> So thanks for pointing that out, which, as you're likely aware, is >> almost completely due to pure marketing spending (not R&D spending) >> by Apple. >> >> As you're likely aware, Apple's R&D spend has always been the lowest >> in high tech - while Apple's marketing spend is one of the highest on >> earth. >> >> Marketing alone, e.g., convincing people to believe that the Apple >> ecosystem is safer and more secure, is what drives that high demand. >> >> Not functionality. Not performance. Not capabilities. >> Marketing alone.' >> >> This statement: >> >> 'As you're likely aware, Apple's R&D spend has always been the lowest >> in high tech - while Apple's marketing spend is one of the highest on >> earth.' >> >> Is a complete lie. You are deliberately lying. >> >> And it's not a technical argument. It is simple, deliberate lie about >> easily checked facts: >> >> >> >> As of that report, only three companies outspend Apple in R&D: >> >> Amazon, Alphabet (Google), and Meta (Facebook). >> >> Now, you have tried to advance the notion that what matters is R&D >> spending as a percentage of revenue, but that is absurd on its face. >> >> Let me do a thought experiment for you (well, really for everyone >> else, because there is precious little evidence that you ever bother >> thinking): >> >> Let us imagine an innovative technology company spending $X on R&D, >> and that number is 30% of their revenue, when suddenly, the product >> that they sell becomes tremendously successful; doubling their >> revenue while their R&D spending remains constant. >> >> Is that company suddenly less innovative because their revenues have >> grown? >> >> BGM: what do you think? > > I think it's easy to find statistics which back up anyone's position. > Often times those very same statistics can be manipulated in a way to > suddenly support someone else's position. Squirm, little worm! -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR