Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone Subject: Re: People ask if the overpriced underpowered iPhone SE can compete with Android Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 08:40:59 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 17:41:00 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="86233041187918657bf31bf92b0aae21"; logging-data="2005377"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX196FgAWcOjg8onPKeFo/HTuSDT361isQi0=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:tgY7v7ofs6/N7nlEo0cBdU0Ckak= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-CA Bytes: 4859 On 2024-07-17 06:49, badgolferman wrote: > Andrew wrote: >> badgolferman wrote on Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:56:16 -0000 (UTC) : >> >>> In my opinion Tesla has Apple beaten when it comes to successful marketing. >> >> Hi badgolferman, >> You'll never hear me disagree with a sensible argument, nor will I disagree >> with your logic when I don't really know much about Tesla's marketing. >> >> Given how far behind Apple is in almost everything (except profits), I'd >> put Apple on the same marketing genius scale as Coca Cola & Virginia Slims. >> >> People buy based on what marketing tells them to buy; if Tesla is the same, >> then I'd agree with you on that logic - but I'm not familiar with Tesla's. >> >>> They single-handedly created a section of the automobile market that hardly >>> any one wants, made it seem like a luxury car, have more electrical >>> problems than British and German cars, and are about to be overtaken by >>> cheap Chinese cars. Teslas are pure junk but people want them for the cool >>> factor. Exhibit A: Cybertruck. >> >> Here, in California, Tesla was successful in convincing the wacko >> government to mandate electric cars - which - for a huge state like >> California is a big deal as they already successfully make it illegal to >> purchase a "new" vehicle out of state (based on CARB regulations). >> >> So even if you bought a used vehicle out of state, you can't register it in >> California (where they defined new as fewer than 7,500 miles as I recall). >> >> The problem I have with the electric car mandate is that they're basically >> mandating toy cars that pollute (in many ways) far more than ICE vehicles. >> >> So the net is more pollution (actually different pollution) and less >> functionality (e.g., range) such that you have to keep both a real car and >> one of these toy cars in order to have the same functionality as today. > > No argument with your assessment of electric vehicles. It also looks like > the general public has finally wisened up to the toy aspect as well. These > vehicles can only become mainstream with government intervention, not on > their own merits. > >>> At least Apple makes reliable products that work decently despite being >>> overpriced for what you get. >> >> I agree with any sensibly logical statement where more than half of the USA >> loves the Apple product so much that they gift Apple it huge profits. >> >> My main problem with Apple is how much they lie to their consumer, and my >> main problem with their consumer is how stupid they are in believing it. >> >> It's like when Virginia Slims was advertised as liberating women from men. >> >> But back to the topic, have you noticed I listed key functional & price >> differences between the iPhone SE and an el-cheap Android? >> >> What did the strange zealots do? >> Did the strange zealots debate the technical merits? >> >> Or did the strange zealots do everything they could to deflect the topic? >> > > They want me to debate you on your claims but I’ve never claimed to be > knowledgeable enough to dispute the technical details related to mobile > phones. I’ll leave that up to those who have an axe to grind. > What is technical about pointing out obvious lies?