Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2024 16:23:45 +0000 Subject: Re: The HOAX of GR effects in GPS and other artificial satellites, Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity References: <55dd6d7aedf3d92af90dfb33b2854ef5@www.novabbs.com> From: Ross Finlayson Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2024 09:23:38 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 56 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-SbozWbzX+3IvCpjYVBFQ37vcLM6j3MelSNDICZC9HKUZQBjqv7P2fRMTZ6XFNGjy4EDZxOfdyyvGbxy!7NcJp55Egg+AAj+kfQdCF5GDfWKT42LnoOTScWOXIMF+zTbW5cJH5b7NF9iozCf/TJ6cOJ1S+Uep!AQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4036 On 09/22/2024 04:44 AM, ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog wrote: > On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:06:56 +0000, gharnagel wrote: > >> On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 3:56:44 +0000, ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog wrote: >>> >>> Two paragraphs that I wrote for Wikipedia which are nearly unchanged >>> from when I first wrote them a decade ago: >>> "Proposals that may lead to a quantum theory of gravity such as string >>> theory and loop quantum gravity predict violations of the weak >>> equivalence principle because they contain many light scalar fields >>> with long Compton wavelengths, which should generate fifth forces and >>> variation of the fundamental constants. Heuristic arguments suggest >>> that the magnitude of these equivalence principle violations could be >>> in the 10−13 to 10−18 range. >>> "Currently envisioned tests of the weak equivalence principle are >>> approaching a degree of sensitivity such that non-discovery of a >>> violation would be just as profound a result as discovery of a >>> violation. Non-discovery of equivalence principle violation in this >>> range would suggest that gravity is so fundamentally different from >>> other forces as to require a major reevaluation of current attempts to >>> unify gravity with the other forces of nature. A positive detection, >>> on the other hand, would provide a major guidepost towards unification." >> >> Well, it looks like 10^-13 to 10^-14 predictions are in very great >> doubt. Do you know which theories are predicting violations this big? > > See https://hal.science/hal-04105176v1 > > Few theories have been actually "disproven" by MICROSCOPE results, but > some theories have been constrained to somewhat "unnatural" regions of > parameter space. For instance, in regards to the "runaway dilaton" > model, "...current data already exclude couplings between the runaway > dilaton and the dark sector of order unity, which would be their > natural value." Light speed's units c aren't natural when c_g = infinity, as with regards to the usual mass/energy equivalency linearly, as with regards to 1 - v^2/c^2 or a - c^2/v^2, thusly 1 +- c/v, squared. Clearly dark matter and dark energy, "unobservable", are "unscientific". In their time and place, the theories of Fatio and LeSage were considered the premier theories of gravity. There's Eotvos to consider, though it was Lagrange-point bound if I recall, while Lense-Thirring and particularly Parker, have made some tests of the equivalency principle, of the gravitic and "g-forces", terrestrially and solarly. Is Eotvos still up there?