Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH(DDD)==0 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 06:11:50 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 107 Message-ID: References: <56b830364cf651238ea19749c6dda753427cf8fb@i2pn2.org> <4ead3c7dcd0cb13a6c655716f106bb836aa4bc47@i2pn2.org> <030f6c2bf84dc1776787d597adcf5c2015cc861d@i2pn2.org> <8c474bc7aee03e8eedb712f48c4b39c1c9e88a7b@i2pn2.org> <243d02f2d3397e7f681ebdad2e9b7d8a346bb75c@i2pn2.org> <37c291e02299479ab8b55256f3744fe0ba48f6db@i2pn2.org> <53d3ed2cfd983f3b895f6509020bcbe98e86d3e6@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 13:11:50 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="226061eba1b9449e8d60367b08997690"; logging-data="2770618"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/EQdcLM/oqD5o6SIB3IOO/" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:53ACJ7cVklTIvva4V+42bbJ1nvc= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 6466 On 10/9/2024 5:52 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 10/8/24 11:47 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 10/8/2024 7:49 AM, Andy Walker wrote: >>  > Richard -- no-one sane carries on an extended discussion with >>  > someone they [claim to] consider a "stupid liar".  So which are you? >>  > Not sane?  Or stupid enough to try to score points off someone who is >>  > incapable of conceding them?  Or lying when you describe Peter?  You >>  > must surely have better things to do.  Meanwhile, you surely noticed >>  > that Peter is running rings around you. >> >> I am incapable of conceding this self-evident truth: >> >>    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH that can possibly >>    exist never returns >> >>    thus each of the directly executed  HHH emulators that does >>    return 0 correctly reports the above non-terminating behavior. > > So, you don't understand that calling a false statement true is just > proof of being a liar. > > First, as explained, the meaning of the sentence clearly is talking > about the behavior of DDD, which is the behavior of it executed, which > you yourself have prove will halt if HHH(DDD) returns an answer. > > Andl even if we let you say that your first claim is correct about the > PARTIAL emulation of DDD by HHH, then the second doesn't follow, as > nothing was shown to be non-terminating, as that phrase applies to the > behavior of a MACHINE/PROGRAM, not the partial emulation of one, so the > fact that a partial emulation didn't reach an end doesn't show non- > termination. > > The only non-terminating machines in view in your system are the ones > associated with the HHH(DDD) that never aborts, and those are not halt > deciders. > > And the only way that the HHH(DDD) that returns 0 can say its input is > that DDD is if you blantently ignore the fact that to even be a program, > the definition of DDD *MUST* include the code that it calls, so it > includes that the DDD that calls that HHH that returns 0, is also itself > calling that same HHH, not some other one, and thus your argument is > based on LYING about what is happening her. > > So, you are just showing that > > PPPP   EEEEE  TTTTT  EEEEE  RRRR > P   P  E        T    E      R   R > P   P  E        T    E      R   R > PPPP   EEEEE    T    EEEEE  RRRR > P      E        T    E      R R > P      E        T    E      R  R > P      EEEEE    T    EEEEE  R   R > > >  OOO   L       CCC    OOO   TTTTT  TTTTT > O   O  L      C   C  O   O    T      T > O   O  L      C      O   O    T      T > O   O  L      C      O   O    T      T > O   O  L      C      O   O    T      T > O   O  L      C   C  O   O    T      T >  OOO   LLLLL   CCC    OOO     T      T > > > L     IIIII  EEEEE   SSS > L       I    E      S   S > L       I    E      S > L       I    EEEEE   SSS > L       I    E          S > L       I    E      S   S > LLLLL IIIII  EEEEE   SSS > > > AND THINKS IT IS OK > >> >> He summed you up pretty well: >> On 10/8/2024 7:49 AM, Andy Walker wrote: >>  > *Meanwhile, you surely noticed* >>  > *that Peter is running rings around you* >> > > Yep, you are running rings around me, and not getting anywhere because > you have no where to get to. > > You are just a failure, a DOOMED liar that has been totally exposed. > > You are just proving that you have no idea what you are talking about, > and aren't even trying to defend your statements as having any basis of > truth. > > At least Trump, the election deniers, and the climate change deniers > will work to find evidence for their position. > > You are just admitting, by just repeating the same lies, that you have > nothing to actually justify your claims except your own conviction that > it must be true. > > Calling a disproven statement "self-evidently true" is just an admission > that you are just wrong. > > Everything that I said is true within the meaning of my words. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer