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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2024 11:44:48 -0400
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On 11/2/24 7:01 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 11/2/2024 5:21 AM, Andy Walker wrote:
>> On 02/11/2024 08:43, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> A false assertion is a lie even if nobody asserts it.
>> [PO:]
>>>> Not at all. The base meaning of {lie} requires intentional
>>>> deception.
>>> That may be its base meaning but the full meaning includes
>>> all false statements. The statement itself does not change
>>> when someone states it so there is no clear advantage in
>>> saying that the statement was not a lie until someone stated
>>> it.
>>
>>      Disagree.  There is a clear advantage in distinguishing those
>> who make [honest] mistakes from those who wilfully mislead.  We all
>> make mistakes;  that, of itself, does not make us all liars.  Not only
>> is there the matter of intent, there is also a need for context.  Many
>> claims [esp, but not only, in science] veer from truth to falsity to
>> truth again, depending on the then-current state of knowledge, or even
>> the then-current state of public opinion.  It would be daft if we all
>> had to qualify /everything/ we said by "I believe ..." to make it true
>> even if what I believe turns out to be false.
>>
> 
> Thanks for your rationality.
>