Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis --- Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 21:17:35 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 01:17:36 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="78400"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3156 Lines: 43 On 10/29/24 11:39 AM, olcott wrote: > On 10/29/2024 10:18 AM, joes wrote: >> Am Tue, 29 Oct 2024 09:58:50 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> On 10/29/2024 9:50 AM, Andy Walker wrote: >>>> On 29/10/2024 13:56, olcott wrote: >>>>> To the best of my knowledge no one besides me ever came up with the >>>>> idea of making a simulating halt decider / emulating termination >>>>> analyzer. >>>>       The /idea/ is ancient, and certainly dates back at least to >>>>       the >>>> 1970s.  For a relatively informal discussion, see paragraph 3 of >>>>     http://www.cuboid.me.uk/anw/G12FCO/lect18.html >>>> >>> The word "simulate" or "UTM" or "interpret" was not there. >>> Let me know what keyword to search for I have to prepare my house for my >>> cancer treatment. >> The key word is "see". Oh wait, that's "emulate", which you haven't >> explained the relevant difference from simulation of. Please keep >> us posted about your health. >> > > The good news about my health is that I will probably > not be dead very soon. > > An x86 emulation has a 100% perfectly exact standard > such that anyone disagreeing is unequivocally wrong. > A simulation is much more vague. Right, assuming it is a COMPLETE x86 emulation, which HHH doesn't do. What do you consider the difference between "emulation" and "simulation"? > >>>> intended for second-year undergraduates and present on the web from >>>> 1996 [though then as a Nottingham University web page].  I certainly >>>> didn't invent the idea.  The same page includes some stuff about Busy >>>> Beavers. >>>> You, and perhaps others, may also find some of the surrounding pages >>>> [linked from that one] interesting, eg the stuff about UTMs and about >>>> minimal computers.  Again, I am not claiming credit for inventing any >>>> of this. > >