Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2024 12:05:40 -0500 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <1cd9f8e7c9120e79cfb3db241fba9c1d653f3ad1@i2pn2.org> References: <0e67005f-120e-4b3b-a4d2-ec4bbc1c5662@att.net> <35794ceb-825a-45df-a55b-0a879cfe80ae@att.net> <40ac3ed2-5648-48c0-ac8f-61bdfd1c1e20@att.net> <71fea361-0069-4a98-89a4-6de2eef62c5e@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2024 17:05:41 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1548779"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3266 Lines: 39 On 11/8/24 11:43 AM, WM wrote: > On 08.11.2024 13:28, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 11/8/24 5:18 AM, WM wrote: > >>> My understanding of mathematics and geometry is that reordering >>> cannot increase the measure (only reduce it by overlapping). This is >>> a basic axiom which will certainly be agreed to by everybody not >>> conditioned by matheology. But there is also an analytical proof: >>> Every reordering of any finite set of intervals does not increase >>> their measure. The limit of a constant sequence is this constant >>> however. >>> >>> This geometrical consequence of Cantor's theory has, to my knowledge, >>> never been discussed. By the way I got the idea after a posting of >>> yours: Each of {...,-3,-2,-1,0,1,2,3,...} is the midpoint of an >>> interval. > >> which makes the error that the properties of finite objects apply to >> the infinite objects, which isn't true, and what just breaks your logic. > > The infinite of the real axis is a big supply but an as big drain. What "drain", the numbers exist. >> >> You take it as a given, but that just means that your logic is unable >> to actually handle the infinite. > > I take it as evident that intervals of the measure 1/5 of the positive > real axis will not, by any shuffling, cover the real axis completely, > let alone infinitely often. I think who believes this is a deplorable > fanatic if not a fool. > > Regards, WM > Since 1/5 of infinity isn't a finite measure, you can't use finite logic to handle them. You are just proving your use of broken logic.