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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis --- Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2024 06:01:44 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2024 12:01:45 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f24840444c7ed29233b33314df4ac42c"; logging-data="3960042"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19FOvMC0yxEH8wRwaTtm1uv" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:6RuzXqYvJ1YQZumQJTAKQ34ZgCk= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 241102-0, 11/1/2024), Outbound message In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 3244 On 11/2/2024 5:21 AM, Andy Walker wrote: > On 02/11/2024 08:43, Mikko wrote: >>>> A false assertion is a lie even if nobody asserts it. > [PO:] >>> Not at all. The base meaning of {lie} requires intentional >>> deception. >> That may be its base meaning but the full meaning includes >> all false statements. The statement itself does not change >> when someone states it so there is no clear advantage in >> saying that the statement was not a lie until someone stated >> it. > >     Disagree.  There is a clear advantage in distinguishing those > who make [honest] mistakes from those who wilfully mislead.  We all > make mistakes;  that, of itself, does not make us all liars.  Not only > is there the matter of intent, there is also a need for context.  Many > claims [esp, but not only, in science] veer from truth to falsity to > truth again, depending on the then-current state of knowledge, or even > the then-current state of public opinion.  It would be daft if we all > had to qualify /everything/ we said by "I believe ..." to make it true > even if what I believe turns out to be false. > Thanks for your rationality. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer