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From: Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2024 17:53:32 +0000
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On 03/11/2024 13:19, olcott wrote:
> On 11/3/2024 3:19 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2024-11-02 10:21:09 +0000, Andy Walker said:
>>
>>> On 02/11/2024 08:43, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> A false assertion is a lie even if nobody asserts it.
>>> [PO:]
>>>>> Not at all. The base meaning of {lie} requires intentional
>>>>> deception.
>>>> That may be its base meaning but the full meaning includes
>>>> all false statements. The statement itself does not change
>>>> when someone states it so there is no clear advantage in
>>>> saying that the statement was not a lie until someone stated
>>>> it.
>>>
>>>     Disagree.  There is a clear advantage in distinguishing those
>>> who make [honest] mistakes from those who wilfully mislead.
>>
>> That is not a disagreement.
>>
> 
> The term "lie" is to only be applied to intentionally
> deceitful statements. To apply the term "lie" to statements
> not having intentional deceit <is> itself intentional deceit.
> 

Not if the person making that claim sincerely believes it. :)  You are being inconsistent here...