Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Radey Shouman Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: 1972 Legnano in the news Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 16:44:01 -0500 Organization: None of the above Lines: 63 Message-ID: <87v7wsunz2.fsf@mothra.home> References: <8ncvijlu04i6u3ujr5454a6t4sciab6pud@4ax.com> <3ic1jj5bsevrg3g4h2njh7vn762hecp5oe@4ax.com> <58u2jj9t74sk7ior8iquj15f2ai7bcouu6@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 22:44:02 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="773a8b7d154745a145757a50f6bc3463"; logging-data="1877214"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19wAvLcrHzHljRyJ6VGxAwYUaSNSfzqsNg=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Rqmt3TZRMPJv6HO0YsSm3INxilc= sha1:uMvPdLPEQc/4D3Sb04m+G9XhYd8= Bytes: 4230 Frank Krygowski writes: > On 11/11/2024 3:47 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >> John B. wrote: >>> On 10 Nov 2024 14:51:05 GMT, Roger Merriman wrote: >>> >>>> John B. wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 21:57:56 -0500, Frank Krygowski >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 11/9/2024 4:13 PM, Mark J cleary wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I always wear a helmet and if you don't want to wear one it is free >>>>>>> county, don't wear one. I am not about to argue just that I >>>>>>> wear a helmet. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since this is a discussion group, when you make a statement like >>>>>> "Generally it is much safer to wear a helmet" you can expect it to be >>>>>> discussed. There's ample data available calling your statement into >>>>>> question. Wolfgang knows this. >>>>> >>>>> "Generally it is much safer to wear a helmet" >>>>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8909479/ >>>>> An average of 247 traumatic brain injury deaths and 140,000 head >>>>> injuries among children and adolescents younger than 20 years were >>>>> related to bicycle crashes each year in the United States. As many as >>>>> 184 deaths and 116,000 head injuries might have been prevented >>>>> annually if these riders had worn helmets. >>>> >>>> And yet places with low rates such as the Netherlands or even as helmets >>>> have high useage be that cultural or legal the rate hasn’t been shown to >>>> decrease, judging helmets wearing and none is full of problems ie they tend >>>> to differ more likely to see kids helmets less in poorer areas which also >>>> are generally have more dangerous roads and so on. >>>> >>>> Just because Frank has one viewpoint doesn’t mean you have to take the >>>> opposite you know! >>>> >>> "There's ample data available calling your statement into >>> question." >> No there are selective studies, which much like modelling ideas >> can’t and >> don’t cover everything. >> Hence population studies all come to the same conclusions ie no >> effect can >> be found. >> Doesn’t mean might not be useful individually but for a population.. > > Of course there may be individuals who for whatever reason may benefit > from a styrofoam helmet. > > Some years ago I stopped in a fast food restaurant while traveling. A > man entered with his teenaged son, who was severely handicapped. He > was able to walk, but only with assistance, and he seemed unable to > express himself verbally. He was wearing a bike helmet just for > walking. For him, that may have been reasonable. I just did a web search for "walking helmet", and got pages of stuff on helmets for babies and toddlers learning to walk. I guess that's a thing these days; I must be out of touch. Perhaps one day we'll see a generation unwilling to step outside without a helmet. --