Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2024 12:59:11 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <86jzf4829c.fsf@linuxsc.com> <20240925104320.00007791@yahoo.com> <40853b34aae592d6cd8a19f017e3f7eb@www.novabbs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2024 18:59:17 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e4af6d4fc32c30cab8f0367293c1992d"; logging-data="1873544"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/fYJCjgjsGhADCe+zxZUcMmc9UiRUfltI=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:DfiU5b34d5ogxNTaKjDQyClBMDQ= sha1:nEQERitEIADx6zkN+3McGytbDM8= Bytes: 2780 > kinds of proofs as "better" than others. Some dislike "proof by computer", > and don't consider the four-colour theorem to be a proven theorem yet. "Proof by computer" can mean many different things. The 1976 proof by Appel&Haken failed to convince a number of mathematicians both because of the use of a computer and because of the "inelegant", "brute force" approach. Regarding the use of a computer, it relied on ad-hoc code which used brute force to check some large number of subproblems. For some mathematicians, it was basically some opaque piece of code saying "yes", with no reason to be confident that the code actually did what the authors intended it to do. The 2005 proof by Gonthier also used a computer, but the program used was a generic proof assistant. Arguably some "opaque brute force" code was used as well, but it generated actual evidence of its claims, which was then mechanically checked by the proof assistant. That leaves a lot less room for arguing that it's not valid. I haven't heard anyone express doubts about that proof yet. Stefan