Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis --- EQUIVOCATION Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2024 11:56:37 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <086fc32f14bcc004466d3128b0fe585b27377399@i2pn2.org> <11408789ed30027f4bc9a743f353dfa9b4712109@i2pn2.org> <38fdfb81e98cbb31d6dfffddbd5a82eff984e496@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2024 17:56:37 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f24840444c7ed29233b33314df4ac42c"; logging-data="4073169"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19khIk/8JbB2aq8nUc14JRp" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:7P3kBcQ2U8l9QCzQNwkKOF9A8as= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 241102-0, 11/1/2024), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <38fdfb81e98cbb31d6dfffddbd5a82eff984e496@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4091 On 11/2/2024 10:44 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 11/2/24 8:24 AM, olcott wrote: >> >> When the main motive of people like Richard is to derail >> any chance of mutual agreement I cannot proceed with all >> of the steps achieving mutual agreement on each step one >> at a time in their mandatory prerequisite order. > > No, my "motive" is to hold cranks to the truth, or at least get them to > admit that they are off in some other system, that they can define. > > You keep on wanting to be in the system (since it provides the proof of > the things you don't like) but can't hold yourself to actually be in the > system. > >> >> void DDD() >> { >>    HHH(DDD); >>    return; >> } >> >> _DDD() >> [000020a2] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping >> [000020a3] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping >> [000020a5] 68a2200000 push 000020a2 ; push DDD >> [000020aa] e8f3f9ffff call 00001aa2 ; call H0 >> [000020af] 83c404     add esp,+04   ; housekeeping >> [000020b2] 5d         pop ebp       ; housekeeping >> [000020b3] c3         ret           ; never gets here >> Size in bytes:(0018) [000020b3] >> >> DDD emulated by HHH according to the semantics of the x86 >> language cannot possibly reach its own "return" instruction >> whether or not any HHH ever aborts its emulation of DDD. > > Equivocation between looking at the behavor of DDD being the actual > program (which include a particular version of HHH) and the behavior of > a PARTIAL emulation of DDD by HHH, which ends up not having the property > you want to show. > > Partial doesn't lead to showing never. > In other words you continue to perpetually insist on the ridiculously stupid idea of requiring the complete emulation of a non-terminating input. I don't think this is: stupidity, ignorance, ADD. I don't know what this leaves besides dishonesty with malice. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer