Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Catrike Ryder Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Daytime running light popularity Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2024 08:38:07 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 81 Message-ID: References:

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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2024 13:38:10 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="298a302d1beefa27036562fd45e5adec"; logging-data="2840497"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/M6NT3iSC4+2sQb2OFut//zgApMrG4IPg=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:oBc9iGN86NzYwBarqkSfux2/gB4= Bytes: 4964 On 31 Oct 2024 12:20:31 GMT, Roger Merriman wrote: >Catrike Ryder wrote: >> On 30 Oct 2024 23:40:09 GMT, Roger Merriman wrote: >> >>> sms wrote: >>>> On 10/29/2024 12:40 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Not if there are paths etc that connect up, some of the older estates etc >>>>> have this, plus newer Low Traffic Areas ie making it awkward to use by car >>>>> as cut through but filters allow pedestrians/cycle etc to pass through. >>>>> >>>>> But again depends on who and what you design for. >>>> >>>> From personal experience I can tell you that residents often object to >>>> bicycle infrastructure, including multi-use paths, protected bicycle >>>> lanes, pedestrian/bicycle bridges, and passageways between >>>> neighborhoods, but once they are in place they like them and none of the >>>> problems that they were worried about happen. >>>> >>>> There was one bridge in my area >>>> that was closed because it >>>> was unsafe. It provides a safe route to local schools. The residents on >>>> one side of the bridge were very much against it being rebuilt, for a >>>> variety of reasons that had no basis in fact. Now it's open, well-used >>>> by both students and others wanting to access the park it goes into. >>>> >>>> A proposed multi-use path along a creek had residents whose houses >>>> backed up to the creek furious since they had believed that the access >>>> road, that became the path, would never be open to the public (even >>>> though it had been open in the past but without a nice trail). Once the >>>> trail was completed it was fine and no one complains anymore >>>> . Some of the objections to >>>> the trail were quite amusing. One woman said that there would be >>>> teenagers engaging in "hanky-panky" on the trail. Another woman said >>>> that vultures would pick up babies and fly away with them. Some >>>> residents said that criminals would jump the fences and break into their >>>> homes, though the reality is that criminals prefer to drive to their >>>> targets to burglarize them. >>>> >>> >>> There is consistent curve, ie initial alarm and well change which people >>> dislike, but generally people like this n so it curves back to we like >>> this! >>> >>> Hence political will is needed! And steady heads ie don?t just listen to >>> the minority with loud voices! >>> >>> Roger Merriman >> >> Arguing against multi-use paths is useless. People want them and >> they're going to be built. That said, I absolutely oppose mandatory >> use of them, although I see no sense in bicycling on streets and roads >> when there is an acceptable non-vehicle path available. > >I assume you mean that a cyclist would be mandated to use a bike lane/multy >use path? If so I think you’d find universal agreement! You would think so, at least among cyclists, but I see cyclists attempting to mandate helmets, daytime lights, an such. Krygowski is correct in that protectionist do-gooders are out there... although he doesn't understand that he is one of them. >The use of law for that purpose is very much a car centric approach see >Germany for example. >> >> Yes, I understand that acceptable is subjective evaluation, which is >> one reason why I oppose mandatory use of MUPs. >> >> -- >> C'est bon >> Soloman >> > >Roger Merriman -- C'est bon Soloman