Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ben Bacarisse Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Yet another contribution to the P-NP question Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 23:42:31 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: <877cawhg6g.fsf@bsb.me.uk> References: <85955d539da522cf777ab489101c0e2a@www.rocksolidbbs.com> <4b415dd5a91ac648bee8224fc3c28aa19706e06f.camel@gmail.com> <87cykqgfax.fsf@bsb.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2024 00:42:32 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4243e8548b6d655c356cb21489bf59b1"; logging-data="943379"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19X1vHd350iD8aIbPYal76tD/XbwN/kXP8=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:kxUVJBRfDjWeBYrQA9XLPKjuok8= sha1:YNJgVKZu5OvCpRLUcrc69Hw+sDc= X-BSB-Auth: 1.7baf08ff1c7d44fea72b.20240927234231BST.877cawhg6g.fsf@bsb.me.uk Bytes: 3156 Mike Terry writes: > On 27/09/2024 00:34, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >> nnymous109@gmail.com (nnymous109) writes: >> >>> Also, I did not know this yesterday, but alternatively, you can access >>> the document directly through the following link: >>> https://figshare.com/articles/preprint/On_Higher_Order_Recursions_25SEP2024/27106759?file=49414237 >> I am hoping that this is a joke. If it is a joke, then I say well done >> sir (or madam)[*]. >> But I fear it is not a joke, in which case I have a problem with the >> first line. If you want two of the states to be symbols (and there are >> points later on that confirm that this is not a typo) then you need to >> explain why early on. You are free to define what you want, but a paper >> that starts "let 2 < 1" will have the reader wrong-footed from the >> start. > > You mean q_accept and q_reject? It looks like they are just to represent > the accept and reject states, not tape symbols? Calling them symbols is > like calling q_0 a symbol, which seems harmless to me - is it just that you > want to call them "labels" or something other than "symbols"? Later he/she writes (Omega U {q_accept, q_reject})* where * is, presumably, the Kleene closure. Omega is the set of non-blank tape symbols of the TMs under discussion so these states are used to make "strings" with other tape symbols. I agree that what the states actually are is irrelevant, but that two of them are later used like this is presumably important. > I don't fully get the notation though - e.g. it seems to me that the TMs > have tape symbols and states, but I don't see any state transition > table! Right, but that's line 2 and I was starting at line 1! I thought it might be joke because of the way the author just piles definition on definition using bizarre notations like integral symbols but apparently not. -- Ben.