Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar? Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 07:12:58 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <49bbc7f6ba667da66bc56c69db049774c066d084@i2pn2.org> References: <4cb98b3918d6745f53bb19582b59e786d4af5022@i2pn2.org> <4654d9db2fa0906d7ab7a1c6c09139ab0b0110cd@i2pn2.org> <4eebe767dc236a7770566fc1593aae14a38cb085@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 07:12:58 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2078167"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 2851 Lines: 21 Am Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:35:57 -0600 schrieb olcott: > On 11/11/2024 10:25 AM, joes wrote: >> Am Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:58:02 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>> On 11/11/2024 4:54 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2024-11-09 14:36:07 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> On 11/9/2024 7:53 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> The actual computation itself does involve HHH emulating itself >>> emulating DDD. To simply pretend that this does not occur seems >>> dishonest. >> Which is what you are doing: you pretend that DDD calls some other HHH >> that doesn’t abort. > DDD emulated by HHH does not reach its "return" instruction final halt > state whether HHH aborts its emulation or not. When DDD calls a simulator that aborts, that simulator returns to DDD, which then halts. >> But the HHH that simulates DDD does in fact abort and not simulate >> itself aborting. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.