Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 20:38:00 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <4524b9dcb46740847649bcb907a87acbac1d00da@i2pn2.org> <9b99b4dfe14296c74eeebd76b13369648e9e6059@i2pn2.org> <8ee04a00a23875dac3d741882bffbdcb81dd7acb@i2pn2.org> <9807cd8f9a43d7c9e9f13c6f113276cfd5f20b97@i2pn2.org> <9e7d357b9e3959bb8394d9bf45e6161a7c9145aa@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2024 03:38:00 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1eac21b2b931973af1a7b8c06e3541b3"; logging-data="3268052"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+RCKZHQHWz6WXHOWubCPx6" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:bvUq9h+95r2EojbEjm8IkS7Agyk= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 241114-6, 11/14/2024), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <9e7d357b9e3959bb8394d9bf45e6161a7c9145aa@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3431 On 11/14/2024 2:33 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 11/14/24 3:28 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 11/14/2024 2:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> joes wrote: >>> >>>> What are weasel words? >>> >>> Words whose precise meaning is difficult/impossible to pin down, and >>> deliberately so.  Politicians use these all the time. >>> >> >> _DDD() >> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping >> [00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping >> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD >> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >> [0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04 >> [00002182] 5d         pop ebp >> [00002183] c3         ret >> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >> >> DDD emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its "ret" >> instruction final halt state. >> >> >> > > But the emulation by HHH is NOT the DEFINITION of the behavior that HHH > is suppoded to be reporting on. > Right and likewise ZFC is "supposed to include" sets that are members of themselves. Thus according to your reasoning ZFC is wrong because is directly disobeys the dogma of naive set theory. > That behavior that HHH is supposed to be reporting on is the behavior of > the actual direct exectution of the program described by the input, IN OTHER WORDS YOU ARE SAYING THAT HHH SHOULD STUPIDLY IGNORE THE FACT THAT DDD DOES SPECIFY THAT HHH MUST EMULATE ITSELF EMULATING DDD If you are not simply a liar then you are indoctrinated to the same degree that people believe that Trump the Christ. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer