Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Moebius Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: 2N=E Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 20:33:29 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <29ce40e9-f18a-44d4-84d9-23e587cf9dea@att.net> <2b6f9104-a927-49ee-9cf0-6ee3f82edc23@att.net> <22f95ff7-c361-4d8a-943c-1df76abb98cc@att.net> <9c55eda1-bb24-44ae-9158-2a3b354170cd@att.net> <4ce512c0-8196-4923-9a6b-359c25fdfa3a@att.net> <8418a2e3-bba2-43b4-8c77-3e947a270476@att.net> <6c56b6df33cedd35cac468735501d2d89ad19048@i2pn2.org> <9e98e573c0368690d336299ab78121c3240aa8e7@i2pn2.org> <6310990a57ee5388e4e3a2c280fde00fc1b142ae@i2pn2.org> Reply-To: invalid@example.invalid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 20:33:30 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="601e4356d59f1802b9ed0bf7071ff813"; logging-data="1696834"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+NyXRQK4AXJeoY6hEEpdFq" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:43kUANub7WmKvucPaIRUHur6aiw= Content-Language: de-DE In-Reply-To: <6310990a57ee5388e4e3a2c280fde00fc1b142ae@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 2844 Am 22.10.2024 um 17:03 schrieb joes: > Am Tue, 22 Oct 2024 16:11:35 +0200 schrieb WM: >> On 22.10.2024 11:43, joes wrote: >>> The larger numbers have already all been "created". Well, since we are talking about "actual infinity", i.e. the infinite set of natural numbers here, '"been "created"' is rather "misleading" (i.e. wrong) in this context. It's just a "simple fact" (in the context of set theory), that for all n e IN: 2*n e IN. ("simple fact" => a provable proposition). Of course, this just "shows" that IN is ("actually") infinite. >> Not before multiplying them. > No. We are taking the ACTUALLY infinite set, which most certainly > also includes the even numbers. Especially, since we consider the set of ALL natural numbers; and the natural numbers consist of ALL odd and ALL even natural numbers. :-)