Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: 2N=E Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 12:36:35 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <8418a2e3-bba2-43b4-8c77-3e947a270476@att.net> <6c56b6df33cedd35cac468735501d2d89ad19048@i2pn2.org> <9e98e573c0368690d336299ab78121c3240aa8e7@i2pn2.org> <6310990a57ee5388e4e3a2c280fde00fc1b142ae@i2pn2.org> <3834533883e5a9dbc8546bf3eb425f762f2d0ab3@i2pn2.org> <6c929080fc639ef2e26217ccd2908b1face54361@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:36:36 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f255236784b0884105f55aca8336b1f6"; logging-data="2917977"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/cVaK0L8JcJGZSNavsxzwLAZaNJP0iiUk=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:+lZwx04WxH4PdXPnxiG7pLYGGu0= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3189 On 10/24/2024 6:42 AM, WM wrote: > On 24.10.2024 14:24, FromTheRafters wrote: >> WM has brought this to us : > >>> The infinite must adhere to correct mathematics. Otherwise it is only >>> matheology, to be believed by believers who despise mathematics. >> >> Sets don't change. If you want to double each element of the naturally >> ordered set of natural numbers you do it by creating another set with >> the naturally ordered doubled elements. >> >> {1,2,3,4,...} >> {2,4,6,8,...} >> >> These sets are the same |size| > > In fact, here "the same size" applies. The change of size between both > sets is +/- 0. But since the first set contains all natural numbers, the > second set contains larger numbers because 2 > n. > >> your swapped Bob is *always* in the 'next' room since there is no >> 'last' room at the infinite hotel. > > But if all fractions can be counted, then there is a last state, namely > when this is counting is complete. Nope. There is no largest fraction. > >> Scrooge McDuck gets richer and richer as he goes broke. > > He does never lose more money than he gets. Therefore he cannot lose all > his money. *That* is dictated by logic. > > Regards, WM >