Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: 2N=E Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:42:55 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <8418a2e3-bba2-43b4-8c77-3e947a270476@att.net> <6c56b6df33cedd35cac468735501d2d89ad19048@i2pn2.org> <9e98e573c0368690d336299ab78121c3240aa8e7@i2pn2.org> <6310990a57ee5388e4e3a2c280fde00fc1b142ae@i2pn2.org> <3834533883e5a9dbc8546bf3eb425f762f2d0ab3@i2pn2.org> <6c929080fc639ef2e26217ccd2908b1face54361@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:42:55 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0dd894fffc8f685f2cae0823449da2ef"; logging-data="2794865"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/V1W434t7LPeGhCLt5hFaa48UEr/cjMik=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Rf3esRO8l/+fqiVSxl+uvUA3J+I= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3021 On 24.10.2024 14:24, FromTheRafters wrote: > WM has brought this to us : >> The infinite must adhere to correct mathematics. Otherwise it is only >> matheology, to be believed by believers who despise mathematics. > > Sets don't change. If > you want to double each element of the naturally ordered set of natural > numbers you do it by creating another set with the naturally ordered > doubled elements. > > {1,2,3,4,...} > {2,4,6,8,...} > > These sets are the same |size| In fact, here "the same size" applies. The change of size between both sets is +/- 0. But since the first set contains all natural numbers, the second set contains larger numbers because 2 > n. > your swapped Bob is > *always* in the 'next' room since there is no 'last' room at the > infinite hotel. But if all fractions can be counted, then there is a last state, namely when this is counting is complete. > Scrooge McDuck gets richer and richer as he goes broke. He does never lose more money than he gets. Therefore he cannot lose all his money. *That* is dictated by logic. Regards, WM