Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: 2N=E Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2024 22:34:44 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <40b398d1-40c5-45e9-8615-1cf437af0185@att.net> <3537899e-e951-4138-b56c-fc76340762b8@att.net> <8b31df46-1361-4dd1-aed3-1f42039af960@att.net> <84c1bb5d-67db-4d21-918a-f86cd1f815c5@att.net> <0c05ee27-97d5-4742-a5dc-b8ffefbc25c0@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2024 22:34:44 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9448792f9519fb0299ce67b94ab312fe"; logging-data="4168150"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/yeOPb9+9aXWmuNz0/swoemBiiBHGI/lA=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:CEQq76z3eK+Q5ekv9eJcHNHJhrE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <0c05ee27-97d5-4742-a5dc-b8ffefbc25c0@att.net> Bytes: 2958 On 02.11.2024 21:53, Jim Burns wrote: > On 11/2/2024 1:24 PM, WM wrote: >> On 02.11.2024 13:20, joes wrote: > >>> Why "absorbed"? >>> Do you think >>> some multiple of a power of 2 is not natural? >> >> If all multiples of 2 smaller than ω are doubled, >> then this doubling results in larger numbers than doubled. > > If n is finite  ∧  ω ≤ n+n > then ω is finite. That might appear so in a set without dark numbers. It is not true when dark numbers come into play. > > ⎜ ⟦0,n⟧ is finite, which means that > ⎜ each subset of ⟦0,n⟧ is two.ended.or.{} > ⎜ > ⎜ Each subset of ⟦n,n+n⟧ is two.ended.or.{} Yes, but the order of dark numbers cannot be determined. Every number n < ω is finite. ω/2 is finite. > 'Finite' means > each subset is two.ended.or.{} > 'Infinite' means not finite. Every interval (0, n) is finite because n is finite. But for dark numbers n this cannot be seen. The dark realm appears as infinite. It cannot be counted through. Regards, WM