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From: Richard Smith <null@void.com>
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Subject: Re: FWIW first welding job, 2 years on
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 21:54:43 +0100
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"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

> "Richard Smith"  wrote in message news:m18quqowx8.fsf@void.com...
>
> The value to society of seeing where our forebearers scraped a living is
> so very very high.
> So the risks while known are accepted.  Someone somewhere will be in the
> wrong place at the wrong time - but to lose contact with forebearers and
> continuity is a "no way" for our societies.
> ----------------------------------
>
> I live in a somewhat sparsely populated hilly to mountainous state
> next to a flat highly urban one whose residents flock here for
> vacations. Over the weekend the TV ran a warning that hiking in the
> mountains requires more cold weather preparation than many arrive
> with, being used to always having warm indoor shelter
> nearby. Specifically, don't climb in October wearing sneakers or even
> shorts and sandals. Crosses mark where hikers froze to death in
> July. Several times I've seen mountain hikers very poorly prepared for
> the arctic wind and cold and deep snow at altitude while it's sunny
> and warm where they parked, a few miles away. While descending late in
> the day in January, equipped as for Mt Everest, we met and escorted
> back a group of teens struggling uphill through the snow in light
> jackets and sneakers. Another hiker and I made winter gear and were
> testing my goose down parka and his snowshoe climbing grips.
>
> NH mountains aren't particularly high but their weather can be similar
> to northern Labrador. We don't benefit from Gulf Stream warmth as you
> do, we get Norwegian cold (-20C) at Italian latitude (42N). Our
> urbanites have become used to thinking that the world is safe and not
> staying alert or taking precautions.

From where I come from in the Pennines in Northern England - "nothing"
by continental standards - the local mountain rescue cheerfully lists
"popular" ways people get in a mess and/or come by mishaps.