Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Justisaur Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Subject: Re: $19 billion on unplayed games Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 19:47:02 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: <3vqo7jh641q6jan6c4e48ef18cfpqc0ilm@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 04:47:03 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b861c28cebe11f7348687f9df04bfa78"; logging-data="359810"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/TTz3B/LRLF08ra47/hyYGtaxBRIV6CUo=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:F/8+pNjmu6ytCcwrGj2RFK8M5M0= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3428 On 6/27/2024 9:39 AM, Xocyll wrote: > Spalls Hurgenson looked up from reading the > entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs > say: > >> >> You've probably read -or at least heard mentioned- the news story that >> Steam users have spent $19 billion USD on games they've never played.* >> (If so, you've probably also heard some wag jokingly claim, "Yeah, >> well, I'm probably responsible for $1 billion of that"**.) You may >> even have heard counters to this estimate, calling it wildly >> inaccurate (something I myself tend to agree with). > > Hadn't but I doubt the number is anywhere near accurate. > > Steam only counts playtime If and only IF you started the game through > steam. > > Star Trek Online for instance was sold as a game direct from the company > first, then downloadable through arc (still is) and then through steam. > > You can start it without steam knowing. > > It says 146.2 hrs for a game I've played near daily for over a decade, > because I only ever started it through steam if I was make a game > currency purchase. > > The couple years of play of Fallout4, according to steam amounts to 11 > minutes. > > Path of Exile, another heavily played one, no time at all. > > Warframe, haven't played it years but played it heavily for a while, > steam says 6 minutes. > > So yeah, not trusting "Valve Math", since it apparently assumes no one > can live without steam or would start a game any other way. > > And that's not even counting the value of the freebies that we > "purchased" for nothing - how are they being counted, as a zero value > sale, or regular price - betting it's regular price. > Oh yeah, I've definitely got some I haven't played according to Steam but most definitely did. I've got a lot of the opposite too, where I just left a game running even overnight because it was a pain to exit and/or start it and didn't become unstable. Or in the case of the DS series my hours are probably wildly exaggerated as I often think I closed it, but that just returned it to the title screen, as you can't just exit game (well Alt-F4 works but has some likelihood of not saving your progress) -- -Justisaur ø-ø (\_/)\ `-'\ `--.___, ¶¬'\( ,_.-' \\ ^'