Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: vallor Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Subject: Re: Finally long term stable high density storage Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 07:28:55 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 75 Message-ID: References: <4f9c24f2e351024177ca1491c6ddf3c06a435754@i2pn2.org> <70cahj10nfeksb9p03e63rbkur8av4ioui@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 09:28:56 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="847a2e8522e958d8a698c53067ba05f2"; logging-data="2047290"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX187kXLGAGlge9emJpWKcoKc" User-Agent: Pan/0.161 (Hmm2; b869a5e4; Linux-6.11.4) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ptU/VqZQ+08TXcglgHlV22BshtQ= X-Face: +McU)#<-H?9lTb(Th!zR`EpVrp<0)1p5CmPu.kOscy8LRp_\u`:tW;dxPo./(fCl CaKku`)]}.V/"6rISCIDP` Bytes: 4242 On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 07:29:26 -0700, Dimensional Traveler wrote: > On 10/21/2024 11:00 PM, vallor wrote: >> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 09:51:49 -0700, Dimensional Traveler wrote: >> >>> On 10/20/2024 9:41 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote: >>>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 08:48:16 -0700, Justisaur >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> 360 TB 1+ B years >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_optical_data_storage >>>> >>>> The tech has been around... well, Wiki says it was first demonstrated >>>> in '96. "Finally" is a bit of a misnomer. ;-) >>>> >>>> IIRC, though, it has several downsides. Biggest is that it is >>>> extremely slow with writes (and pretty slow with reads too). And even >>>> if it had "HDD-speed" read/writes... well, back-of-the-napkin math >>>> indicates it would still take close to 3 DAYS to read all that data >>>> (about half that if it were SSD speed). We'd need advancement in the >>>> IO first to really make use of drives that big. >>>> >>>> It's also write-once, which limits its use to archival. So it's not >>>> gonna replace HDDs or SDDs any time soon. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Now Spalls can fit all his games on one disk about the size of a >>>>> quarter and not worry it's going to die of bit rot. >>>> >>>> I've over the years transferred pretty much all of my DOS-era games >>>> to HDD (twice actually; first as images of the original medium, and >>>> then a second time to a different HDD where the games are actually >>>> installed). >>>> The installed games takes significantly less than a single terabyte, >>>> and that collection includes probably every DOS game you've ever >>>> heard of (and a few more too ;-) >>>> >>>> Disk-space is so cheap and readily available already that -while I >>>> wouldn't sneeze at a long-term archival medium- it's not really >>>> necessary. It's surprisingly hard to fill up multi-terabyte sized >>>> disks under ordinary usage ;-) >>>> >>> "Hold my beer." ;) >> >> $ df -h -t nfs4 Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% >> Mounted on 192.168.23.12:/volume1/ds 39T 26T 13T 68% /nfs/ds >> 192.168.23.12:/volume1/music 39T 26T 13T 68% /nfs/music >> >> Space is getting a little worrisome, but I have a new Synology filer >> sitting in its box, as well as drives. Just haven't gotten a round >> tuit. >> >> Most of /nfs/ds is backups of my workstations throughout the years. >> My music collection is flac ripped from CD's, which I often lose track >> of... >> >> However, there is this: >> >> _[/nfs/ds/scott/src/OS]_(scott@lm)🐧_ >> $ du -hs 853G . >> >> 850G of built Linux kernels. (I'm a digital hoarder, >> and having an NAS hasn't helped.) >> > *gives vallor his beer back* :D :) (I drink Kaliber.) -- -Scott System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.11.4 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G "Democrats Call for Amnesty, Reduced Sentences Likely."