Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: John Harshman Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Tiny feathered dino may have glided Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 15:22:15 -0700 Organization: University of Ediacara Lines: 22 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="74837"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 1B897229782; Fri, 25 Oct 2024 18:22:21 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8261229765 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2024 18:22:18 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id 1t4ShF-00000001gca-02Lb; Sat, 26 Oct 2024 00:22:17 +0200 by egress-mx.phmgmt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B5D60D04 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2024 22:21:23 +0000 (UTC) by serv-3.ord.giganews.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEBB44071E for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2024 17:22:16 -0500 (CDT) by serv-3.i.ord.giganews.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id 49PMMGru003286; Fri, 25 Oct 2024 17:22:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: serv-3.i.ord.giganews.com: news set sender to poster@giganews.com using -f X-Path: news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail X-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 22:22:15 +0000 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Original-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3482 On 10/25/24 1:56 PM, JTEM wrote: >  RonO wrote: > >> https://www.science.org/content/article/glide-and-stride-tiny-feathered- dino-flapped-it-ran >> >> A sparrow sized raptor had an extrodinary stride length indicating >> that it may have glided between steps.  Maybe like a flying fish on land. > > The Cursorial theory on the origins of powered flight in birds > always made a great deal more sense than the Arboreal. > > Amongst the obvious facts is that birds are so well adapted to > the ground that flightless birds -- secondarily flightless -- > began evolving relatively quickly! > > Not the only piece of evidence but amongst the more obvious... That's actually an interesting point. But what are these early, secondarily flightless birds? Are you referring to oviraptorosaurs, deinonychosaurs, and such? Greg Paul's ideas? What's the evidence that they had flying ancestors?